Team Japan leading China Weiqi C-League

[kimidori]

I don't understand why all topics relating to Japanese Go end up discussing Iyama's strength, perhaps we are only just eager to see him playing more internationally.

I think we should point out one thing that Goratings puts Iyama that high because it also ranks other Japanese players in the top 100, whereas the other ranking lists (Dr Taeil or mamumamu) put the 2nd Japanese player well below. By "common sense", I would say that I tend to believe Goratings more, seeing how Kono Rin or maybe Ichikiri Ryo performs in important international tournaments. I'm not talking only about the recent Ing Cup or Nongshim Cup, but Kono did beat Fan Tingyu twice in the last 3 years, also being the runner-up of the Asian TV Cup.

Now saying that Iyama is "only" no.17 or no.23 in the world, again "by common sense", I don't see why he is "only B-league level" or "need luck to win 30-35% in A-league". Perhaps he is not a good fit for the captain board position (where you need to be Ke Jie or Park Junghwan to ensure a positive score), but at a 2nd or maybe 3rd board, it won't surprise me if he can manage a positive score.

[ez4u]

ez4u, my comment wasn't meant as a slight against mamumamu, I think he does a great job (and I've like your posts based on his information), but to highlight by78's double standards: he poo-poos Remi's goratings with the relatively high raking of Iyama as the work of a mere programmer not a statistician, but fails to apply the same ad hominem arguments to other sources of ratings which agree with his lower ranking of Iyama.

I am not aware who among the people involved in go/chess ratings can be defined as professional statisticians. It seems that Mark Glickman is one (the glicko rating system). Arpad Elo was another a physicist as I understand it.

When I look at Remi's work on bayselo, the program used to calculate the computer chess rating list and his work on whole history rating, I am not sure how you tell the difference between him and a "professional" statistician anyway. Certainly I can't do it.

[lambdacdm]

Has the level of Japanese Go declined this much? I'm beginning to get the feeling that even if Japan had sent Iyama, Takao, and Yamashita, they still wouldn't make it into the A-League.

By the way, how did GoRatings.org rank Iyama as high as number two in the world?!

I'm sure Team Japan will not be promoted to A-League. A-League is too competitive for these players (except Iyama).

No, Iyama wouldn't be competitive if he were in the A-League. If those names you mentioned couldn't get a wining record, then Iyama would be lucky to win 30-35% of his games.

B-League is more likely Iyama's level.

Iyama would be competitive in A-league, but not as captain.

[lambdacdm]

Yeah, it seems like there's only one team they might be equally matched against:

Hebei Xinao with
Li Ming, Xie Ke, Xia Jiankun, Liu Xing

You forgot their strongest player Kang Dongyun.

[hyperpape]

Thanks. I was looking at the match they played without him.

I'm curious to see how the Japanese team does in the B-league. Ichiriki and Hsu both have done pretty well against Chinese and Korean players in the past.

And I'd love to see Iyama play in the A league. I don't know how he'd do (I don't actually have a belief whether goratings is right or not), but I'd love to see another half-dozen games between him and top players.

[kimidori]

Do someone have a link to the result of A-league please?

Btw, I have seen Murakawa Daisuke played in B-league last year, as the captain position indeed. He went 2-5 and his team got demoted (I didn't seen that Tibet team in C-League this year, however), but I still think that the Japanese team (if they continue to send Ichikiri and Kyo Kagen) could do fine in league B, perhaps they will get even a better result with a stronger captain.

[hyperpape]

A-league results (in English): http://igokisen.web.fc2.com/cn/al.html

[wolfking]

Do someone have a link to the result of A-league please?

Btw, I have seen Murakawa Daisuke played in B-league last year, as the captain position indeed. He went 2-5 and his team got demoted (I didn't seen that Tibet team in C-League this year, however), but I still think that the Japanese team (if they continue to send Ichikiri and Kyo Kagen) could do fine in league B, perhaps they will get even a better result with a stronger captain.

This page has results (missing most recent round) of A-league on the right hand side but it is in Chinese: http://sports.sina.com.cn/zt_d/weijia2016

I believe the Tibet B-league team from last year partially merged with the 6th place team (Xuancheng Jingting Weiqi School) and is still playing in B-league as Team Lhasa Weiqi School. The new team inherited Tibet team's coaches and one player (Zhang Qiang), with two players from the Xuancheng team and one new member from Korea (Kim Myounghoon).

[hyperpape]

Does anyone who can read results know how the Japanese team is doing this year?

[oren]

I could do it but need a link to the new results page.

[wolfking]

Does anyone who can read results know how the Japanese team is doing this year?

I have not heard any B-league news. Since the B-league only meet once a year Go Congress style and last year's meeting happened in June we will probably hear something next month.

[hyperpape]

Does anyone who can read results know how the Japanese team is doing this year?

I have not heard any B-league news. Since the B-league only meet once a year Go Congress style and last year's meeting happened in June we will probably hear something next month.

Gotcha. I didn't realize it wasn't in parallel with the A league.

Oren: as this indicates, I didn't even have a link. Thanks for the offer, however.

[gamesorry]

The B-League, C-League and Women's League will take place in Quzhou from June 7 to June 18 this year.

Source: http://www.sohu.com/a/134619656_509324

[Uberdude]

Any idea if there will be a European team or players participating?

[wolfking]

Any idea if there will be a European team or players participating?

There was no European players in C-League last year. Since the competition is pretty intense I think it will still be a while before teams employ an European player. But European teams have won some high level amateur tournaments in China.

Does anyone who can read results know how the Japanese team is doing this year?

I found this article originally from Sina sports news
http://share.golinksworld.com/gonews.php?id=9069
This is an interview of 孔令文(Ko Reibun) when he accompanied the Japan players participating in the 3rd MLily Cup prelims back in March. He was asked about the upcoming B-League matches and what he said was Team Japan would essentially stay the same, with only Ichiriki Ryo (who will participate in the A-League this year as foreign member of team Chongqing and will be Gu Li's teammate) replaced possibly by Shibano Toramaru. Unfortunately Iyama still cannot come, not because Iyama does not want to come, but rather the Japanese Go community needs a good reason to let him play in China, such as a sponsorship that is too good to decline.