How strong is Zenith Go?

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Re: How strong is Zenith Go?

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Uberdude wrote:As a Brit, I always chuckle when an American says "a semi". For the unaware, he means a truck/lorry.


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Lorry is at least a noun, whereas semi is a prefix meaning half with many possible continuations. Semi-final, semi-detached house, semiquaver, semi-trailer truck etc. Just "a semi" makes me think of this meaning: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=semi.
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Hu Yuefeng, Chinese 5 dan professional, tested Zenith Go 6 (v11.4?) several times.

Settings:
3 stone handicap, 5s/move for bot, test machine with a Fritz Benchmark result of 15000.

Results(for Hu):
6 wins, 4 loses, 3 draws.

Hu considered that this bot has reached a solid 5 dan amateur level under this setting.

Here's the original link in Zhihu.
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zookar wrote:Hu considered that this bot has reached a solid 5 dan amateur level under this setting.

So he considered himself 8D, but from goratings he should be around 10D in KGS-scale, that would make Zen ranked around 7D in KGS-scale.
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Some questions please. Sorry for my bad English.

How many levels of play has Zenith Go 6 on 19x19 board?
Does it play chinese rules or only japanese?
Is GUI totally translated in English?
On a scale of one to ten, how human like is its style of play? 10=indistinguishable from a man , 1= pure monte carlo engine style.
Compared with Crazy Stone Deep Learning who have the more human style of play?
When is the new release of Zenith Go?

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Re: How strong is Zenith Go?

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Phobos wrote:Some questions please. Sorry for my bad English.

How many levels of play has Zenith Go 6 on 19x19 board?
Does it play chinese rules or only japanese?
Is GUI totally translated in English?
On a scale of one to ten, how human like is its style of play? 10=indistinguishable from a man , 1= pure monte carlo engine style.
Compared with Crazy Stone Deep Learning who have the more human style of play?
When is the new release of Zenith Go?

Have a nice day.


For the computer level you can either specify a rank from 6 kyu to 7 dan, or you can specify a time from 5 seconds to 120 seconds.

There is no choice for the rule set, so I suppose it's only Japanese rules.

The GUI ist in English, but the help file is only in Japanese.

I play always with 120 sec/move. At this level Zen plays very much like a human. I give it 8 on your scale. :-)
Crazy Stone plays a little more often unorthodox moves, lets say 7 on your scale.

Some features are common to both bots. They play very strong and influence orientated in the opening. They attack well, only rarely they mishandle a deep life and death situation or a race to capture. In the endgame, they waste points if they are winning, but when they are losing the play somtimes crazy moves.

Concerning the release date of a new version, I would like to know this too. :-)
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macelee wrote:Then there's this shocking opinion: Luo said he could probably give Alpha Go 4 stones. It doesn't look like a joke.


This quote from February really makes me smile.
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Re: How strong is Zenith Go?

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wineandgolover wrote:
macelee wrote:Then there's this shocking opinion: Luo said he could probably give Alpha Go 4 stones. It doesn't look like a joke.


This quote from February really makes me smile.


Luo's dinner:

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