What do I have to do just to get to 5k?

hl782 · Post by **hl782** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:59 pm

Reviewed particularly at each moves you commented on.

I think you think way too much about the unimportant stuff, and you don't read deeply enough when it matters

Hope this helps!

Knotwilg · Post by **Knotwilg** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:50 am

I think observing someone else's review helps becoming more modest in doing future reviews myself.

At 35 you (hl782) state he (Fedya) should ignore. I disagree: ignoring would turn the group into floating eyeless prey, embraced by an enormous Black sphere of influence.

The move that would punish the tenuki is not your 1 space jump & peep: it's the keima & peep. That submarine move creates eyeshape while destroying it and it is a vital point in a global sense.

If White connects strongly, the keima remains unharmed. If White makes a hanging connection, then Black can push up to peep again and reinforce his stone.

This is a very important technique in attack & defence.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:42 am

At 35 you (hl782) state he (Fedya) should ignore.

To double check we're on the same page:
is this the game v. uwek(7k) and was there a typo, :b33:

instead of :b35:

?

Knotwilg · Post by **Knotwilg** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:38 am

EdLee wrote:
At 35 you (hl782) state he (Fedya) should ignore.
To double check we're on the same page:
is this the game v. uwek(7k) and was there a typo, instead of ?

Quite so!

Thanks for pointing that out.

tchan001 · Post by **tchan001** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:53 am

Another idea for you to consider in your quest to get stronger is to try to give reviews to weaker players once in a while. In the process of explaining your thoughts on how to play go better, you actually help yourself think through a go game from an objective point of view. With the effort put in to explain how to play go better, your own understanding of go will be tested and tempered.

hl782 · Post by **hl782** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:41 am

Hm perhaps you know better than me Knotwilg but, Even with the submarine keima-peep white can just connect, and i dont see many followups for black. R18 is possibly sente for white after the connection.

Even if white's group is not fully settled and he has to run out towards the center, I dont see a way how white won't settle smoothly - as black's stones on the right are still not fully settled yet. Moreover, if white's group runs out.. he's potentially just running into Black's sphere of influence. I don't see a reason why black would like to do that. The other points just seem so much bigger.

sparky314 · Post by **sparky314** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:01 am

The issue is that black can push the white group to the bottom, extending black's moyo while settling his right side group in more-or-less sente, and white has gained no profit. After the chase, it becomes easier to connect up B weak stones at D6, and makes invasions on the bottom easier, since Black will have a lot of strength in the center.

"Live first, then attack." - Hajin Lee

Knotwilg · Post by **Knotwilg** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:47 am

hdl782 I believe I'm right here but I'm open for debate. Here's a positional judgment and some variations from 32 to 36

Fedya · Post by **Fedya** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:27 pm

Another idea for you to consider in your quest to get stronger is to try to give reviews to weaker players once in a while

I was a member of the GTL and enjoyed the opportunity to review weaker players' games, even though it was difficult at times.

One of the reasons I'd like to get stronger is so that I can feel comfortable reviewing any games posted here. I don't respond to other people's reviews in part because there don't seem to be too many games from players weaker than me, and in part because when there are, the stronger players seem to be able to go through a game once and spot the major weaknesses and mistakes right away. It takes me a lot longer since I'm not strong enough to notice a lot of the mistakes on first glance, and by the time I'd get done, a bunch of other (stronger) players are likely to have posted reviews already.

Fedya · Post by **Fedya** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:21 pm

In the game, I felt like :w34:

seemed a bit defensive, but I was really worried about Black playing something like Knotwilg suggested. That having been said, the other alternative I was looking at playing wasn't a tenuki, but Q12.

As for hl782's comments on :w44:

, I do know that joseki for the Chinese fuseki, but with that extra black stone there, I was worried about getting sealed into a small life in the corner. Playing where I did gave me (I felt) the opportunity to run out into the center.

If I hadn't misclicked and played the hane at :w22:

as I intended, I don't know if I would have considered the double hane, instead just extending to Q14.

hl782 · Post by **hl782** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:35 pm

Fedya wrote:In the game, I felt like seemed a bit defensive, but I was really worried about Black playing something like Knotwilg suggested. That having been said, the other alternative I was looking at playing wasn't a tenuki, but Q12.

As for hl782's comments on , I do know that joseki for the Chinese fuseki, but with that extra black stone there, I was worried about getting sealed into a small life in the corner. Playing where I did gave me (I felt) the opportunity to run out into the center.

If I hadn't misclicked and played the hane at as I intended, I don't know if I would have considered the double hane, instead just extending to Q14.

Sure - that debate can be had between many - I think it's a viable position to tenuki. Some disagree! Really just comes down to preference - I like fighting and mutual destruction so it seems playable to me. If thats not your cup of tea- not a problem.

As for your second comment - I agree with you running out to the center since small life in the corner is bad.
However the biggest thing to note is
1) how you failing to enclose that corner cost you approximately 25-30 points and
2) how you can even remotely consider the possibility of dying with that big group out into the center. Get rid of silly thoughts like that in your game and focus on what's more important.

Hm double hane is interesting. I'll have to read it out to see if it works.
Also please note that you would have lost this game due to the unreasonable invasion had black not essentially passed 3 times.

Just focus on those small points and you'll become 5kyu in no time.

Fedya · Post by **Fedya** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:55 pm

I should add that I think I misused a go term. When I talked about the double hane regarding my misclick on :w22:

, I didn't mean responding with P14, but was talking about the hane on the other side of the Black group, at Q18. That move didn't enter my thinking when I was planning to play Q15.

Knotwilg · Post by **Knotwilg** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:10 am

hl782 wrote:
Sure - that debate can be had between many - I think it's a viable position to tenuki. Some disagree! Really just comes down to preference - I like fighting and mutual destruction so it seems playable to me. If thats not your cup of tea- not a problem.

If I thought it comes down to preference, I wouldn't make an intervention. I really think that moves which affect both your own group's strength and your opponents, in a situation like the one we're discussing, are game deciders. However, I can be wrong, which is why I wouldn't want to formulate my advice like this:

hl782 wrote: Get rid of silly thoughts like that in your game and focus on what's more important.

hl782 · Post by **hl782** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:45 am

i fail to see why telling him not to worry about a living group and focus on other things in a bit of an assertive manner is problematic.

Fedya you're doing fine - you'll hit 5kyu soon dwbi too much and just keep playin

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:25 am

It's a problem if you're wrong, and Knotwilg is right here. Move 34 is really important - if White doesn't play it, Black settles his stones in sente and the corner is not quite alive. That's not to mention that it's more than 10 points reverse sente.

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