#263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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Ah, now I see: he is trying to steal the corner while I am preoccupied with running out into the middle. I'll renew the D6 threat and contest the corner.
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obs:
nothing going as i expected. :(

i think i will be ok...
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i think i dont have life....
i will wait till he move and draw my variantions.
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@Observers
The alligators and Magicwand are conspiring against me!

A small problem popped up in my business, and I'm slowly taking care of it, but it will be another day before the alligators are down to knee-level. At the same time, Magicwand makes a move that compels me to make some serious positional judgements.
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So it may be another day or two before I make a move.
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@Obs:
After lots of analysis, it looks like white disconnected is better for me than white connected.


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I dont like my position and if i dont put any hide comment he may sense my weakness. :(
this comment is to pretend that i have answer for current position...

and another empty comment
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Magicwand wrote:
I dont like my position and if i dont put any hide comment he may sense my weakness. :(
this comment is to pretend that i have answer for current position...

and another empty comment


This is why I love following Magicwand's Malkovich games. :D
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I'm rather happy with my game so far. I truly do not understand why MW let me separate him. The result looks good for me.

I'm ahead in territory. His lower left group ( which lives, BTW, despite whatever attempts I make to kill it ) gets him maybe 10 points. My lower side is easily twice that.

He has two weak groups with slight prospect of making eyes. I have one. As long as mine is at least as safe as the worst one of his, I can be happy with it.

My general goal will be to run with my D6/D7/D9/D10 stones out into the center. I might take time out from that goal to harass his lower left group.

My most immediate sub-goal will be to keep those four stones connected. I can't let him play D8 unopposed.

There are three reasonable ways to connect:

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After some consideration, it looks like the best is 'b', as it works in both directions: it prepares to move eastward, splitting white's groups, and it prepares to attack westward.

Initially, the westward attack does not look too dangerous, but it actually kills in all lines that I can see:

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$$ | . 6 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Next, I expect that he will defend his lower left corner and I will move out with something around F8 or G8.
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Wonder if the turn :b1: is better -- affects W's liberties,
and to get out faster; also :black: (a) --
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:w2: seems strange...?
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$$ | . 4 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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My blank comment worked!!!
I have dodged the bullet.
below was what is was afrid of. white have no chance of life.
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two empty hide tags?? :)
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The hane at C3 would really hurt, especially since there is a gap at E4.

This exchange strengthens both of us. It helps secure 2nd and 3rd rank territory for him, and helps secure 4th rank territory for me. I can live with that.

He still has to make a gote move somewhere on the side, else B8 by me kills him. This is fortunate for me, because if he could tenuki from his vulnerable group, he could play F8 and my D group would be locked in and struggling for life. I don't want to be responsible for one of those slimy Coleridgian groups. I want my group running toward the center.
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:He still has to make a gote move somewhere on the side
Hmm...
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Magicwand:
Yes.
Magicwand:
:)
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