#263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoners: :black:
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$$ | . . O O . . O X . 4 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . 3 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . 5 C 1 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X 9 . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . 8 7 . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I got all that I could reasonably expect from this corner. With Q3, I sealed off the eastern end of a 40-ish point chunk of territory. MWW probably has around 8 points in the middle, 12 strung along the left side, and he will get about 10 in the lower left corner. If he converts his 5-4 stone to territory, that is about another 10. He will have about 40 himself.

Now I am looking to the remaining unclaimed portions of the board. I have far greater influence on the upper side. If I make sure that I have greater influence on the right side, I expect to win or at least break even in all fights.

I expect to get some territory on the top side, probably more than he does.

In the lower left, I'm choosing a joseki that ensures the black has a wall facing northward. By keeping white locked in, I expect to expand my 40-ish point territory to 50+ points.
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoners: :black:
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$$ | . . . . O . . X . 3 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . 5 C 1 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . 8 7 . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . O . . . . . 9 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoners: :black:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . O . . X . 3 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . 5 C 1 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . 8 7 . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . O . . . . 0 9 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Just a note that I am enjoying this game a lot. Thanks to both participants, as well as to all the kibitzers.
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners: :black:
$$ ----------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . O . . . . X O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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his correct sequence is below:
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners: :black:
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$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X B 5 . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . 8 . X O 2 7 |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . O . . . . 4 O 3 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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his correct sequence is below:
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X 1 6 . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . 9 . X O 3 8 |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . O . . . . 5 O 4 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Maybe tenuki bigger for :b9: :
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X 1 6 . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . X O 3 8 |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . O . . . . 5 O 4 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners: :black:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . O . . . . X O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I've go two goals here:
1) Keep him from going westward.
2) Try to come away with sente.
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners: :black:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . O 3 . . . X O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . O W . . . X O 3 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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something like this?
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[go]$$bcm1 Prisoners: :black:
$$ ----------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . 9 X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X 5 4 7 6 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . O O 1 2 8 X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . 0 . . . . |
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Magicwand has played a move that leads us into some very treacherous grounds. A good reply requires a lot of thinking.
Unfortunately, he has chosen to do it just prior to the beginning of the semester. My business is bookselling, and the online portion of it is swamped right now with textbook orders.

This is not inconsequential. The world is becoming chaotic, and we skate on the edge of disaster, waiting for one butterfly. And I'm delivering books late.

These are books on chemistry, accounting, law, medicine, and other serious subjects. They go to students who will be the leaders and innovators of tomorrow. If those students lack the knowledge that they should glean from these textbooks, they will go out into the world ill-prepared and uninformed.

The results will be innocuous at first. Decimal points will be dropped; paragraphs omitted; micrograms will be translated to milligrams; crucial screws will be left on the assembly table.

Later, it will be more obvious. Pumps will fail. Incidence of diseases will rise. Drones will fall from the skies.
Lawyers in the United Nations will fall to hand-to-hand fighting, frustrated by contracts with unintelligible clauses. But nobody will connect the dots in time.

Within a decade the consequences will be dire. All of the major stock markets will tank. Food riots will occur, even in developed countries. Cannibalism will be common in New York, London, and Bejing. Armies will be on the march, often led by their own non-commisioned officers. Supposedly curable diseases will become epidemic, unfettered by bankrupt pharmacutical companies. Many of the world's capital cities will go up in flames.

And all of this will happen as a result of a single overly ambitious move in a Malkovich game. Magicwand may well be responsible for the collapse of western civilization.
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@Joaz
I'm a community college teacher. Will you at least make sure my students' books get here on time? I don't want to listen to their excuses.
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@Jeromie:
I'm making the west coast my top priority. Colorado? I'll try.
You should stock up on food and medicine just in case.
And avoid New York.
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Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 4 O 3 . . . X O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm back. It appears that I have saved western civilization. ( No, don't thank me. If you appreciate it, click on the yellow 'donate' button in the upper right corner. )

Saving my lower side may be more difficult. The aji is just as bad, and the battlefield is just as confusing ( Why did he not play J2 first?? It is an extra liberty in sente. )

There are really only two candidates:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . a O O b . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He is threatening this:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: :black:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X 2 X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O 3 1 4 O O . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...and he is ahead, 3 liberties to 2.

Playing M2 is no good:

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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners: :black:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X 6 X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X 8 X O X 5 3 . 4 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 7 O O 2 9 1 X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I go with the one line remaining.
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