is not joseki - it should be at a. Black to punish the error!Punishing joseki mistake (problem)
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Punishing joseki mistake (problem)
I had an opponent deviate from joseki, allowing a fairly severe punishment. I thought it might be an interesting problem for maybe 6k players.
is not joseki - it should be at a. Black to punish the error!
is not joseki - it should be at a. Black to punish the error!
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Re: Punishing joseki mistake (problem)
fwiffo wrote:Black can get more.
i dont see any more. i am really curious how.
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Re: Punishing joseki mistake (problem)
fwiffo wrote:This is what I had in mind. Maybe I'm wrong?
Thats what I would have played.
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Re: Punishing joseki mistake (problem)
fwiffo wrote:This is what I had in mind. Maybe I'm wrong?
Why not play 13 at 17? This is the normal way to play if you can, as white cannot answer differently so he ends up with worse shape.
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Re: Punishing joseki mistake (problem)
I guess that is a little better. But the point is that white gets sealed in on both sides, which isn't possible in the joseki line.
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Re: Punishing joseki mistake (problem)
amnal wrote:fwiffo wrote:This is what I had in mind. Maybe I'm wrong?
Why not play 13 at 17? This is the normal way to play if you can, as white cannot answer differently so he ends up with worse shape.
Doesn't White end up with better shape this way? That looks like a failed A-B-C principle to me
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Re: Punishing joseki mistake (problem)
topazg wrote:
Doesn't White end up with better shape this way? That looks like a failed A-B-C principle to me
It is not obvious to me that this is the case.
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Re: Punishing joseki mistake (problem)
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
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in the above diagram is not sente, 
should defend at a instead. All white gets is a move at -
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Re: Punishing joseki mistake (problem)
In this diagram, wouldn't it be better to play white 16 at a, thus giving up two stones and avoiding being shut in?
If you say no, Elwood and I will come here for breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day of the week.
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Re: Punishing joseki mistake (problem)
Stable wrote:That's what herman is saying I think entropi.
Oops my question was already answered by an earlier post
Sorry, I should have read it more carefully, I just looked at the diagrams.If you say no, Elwood and I will come here for breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day of the week.