#263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Schachus · Post by **Schachus** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:28 am

tj86430 wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
$$Wcm81 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . 8 7 . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . 9 . 0 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 4 O 3 . . 5 X O . 1 . |
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O . . 8 7 . . . 2 . . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . 9 . 0 X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . 4 O 3 . . 5 X O . 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The solid connection is the only possibility. Playing the tiger's mouth one point to the left allows him to trap the M4 group.

I'm curious: what would have happened if B played O4 instead of the solid connection?

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:31 pm

@Observers:

I wanted to play 96 at the obvious point:

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But the hane at M9 is very strong.
Any time he plays N5, I must reply with N4.

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So moves like 1, 3, 5, and 7 are all sente.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:37 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm91 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . 6 . . , . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O 1 X . . . 7 4 . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O . . . X 3 . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X 2 . . X . 5 . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:02 pm

@Observers:

The cut? I thought that the clamp was his best play. I was prepared to concede him some territory just to maintain superior influence for the coming dispute in the upper right.

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So what evil scheme is he hatching now? My reflex is to extend, but I must do some reading just in case the atari is better.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:23 pm

@Observers:

Joaz Banbeck wrote:...So what evil scheme is he hatching now?...

I think that I know. It looks like this:

White cuts with 1, black extends with 2;
White stands up with 3...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . , . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . 4 . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . C . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . 2 . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . 3 1 X . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O . . . X O . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X X . . X . O . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...black, fearing that white might trap him against the side by playing the circled point, develops at 4.

It looks good for black. If white extends at O5, black defends at O4. White cannot escape.

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But white has an evil trap.

He threatens to escape with 1. Black defends at 2.
White ataris with 3, black defends again with 4.

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Here is the move that I almost missed. Insead of playing O5, white plays O4.
Black must capture at O5 or lose his L4 group when white plays O5 himself.

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White plays 3, and now the Q4 stones are dead.

studying · Post by **studying** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:13 pm

I'm not sure that Joaz's line actually works for White. By 1-2-3 reading (I think this is how it's applied), Black should look at playing at O3 first, and this seems to save things:

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(If White plays :w3:

anywhere else, Black captures there immediately and connects everything.)

By making the M3-L4 exchange in Joaz's second diagram, White has also given himself a shortage of liberties, no?

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:10 am

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@Observers:

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:33 am

Trigger:

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:10 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm101 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . , . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O . . . X O . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X X 1 . X . O . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:13 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm101 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . , . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O a . . X O . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X X 1 . X . O . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He has choice a or b.
b will give me throwin and ko so he has to take the stones.
afther throwin i can live.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm101 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . , . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . d X . . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . b O O X . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O 7 6 X O 2 0 3 X O . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X 5 X X 1 a X 4 O . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X d O 9 X X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . c X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i think my reading is good that i didnt miss anything.
my opponent probably read same and contemplating really hard.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Sep 01, 2016 4:10 pm

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:09 pm

It may be a while before I reply. Western civilization requires saving once again, and then Mrs. Banbeck and I are taking a short vacation for the Labor Day weekend, and then I have to sit and think about this for a while.

studying · Post by **studying** » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:06 pm

@magicwand:

@observers

I'm guessing "b" is meant to be M3, and magicwand is imagining a sequence like:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . , . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O 6 3 X O 5 . . X O . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X 2 X X O . X . O . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X 1 O . X X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . X O O 4 . O X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Notice that this line isn't nearly as effective if Black already has O3 in place, which is why I still think it's the vital point:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . , . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O 4 3 X O . . . X O . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X 2 X X O . X . O . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X 5 O 1 X X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:57 pm

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Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:37 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm101 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . , . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X C 2 . . X O . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X X 1 . X . O . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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