#263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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Magicwand wrote:P17

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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . 5 X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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@Observers:
Hmmm...

I was assuming that I would automatically hane underneath.

But if I play 1, he has to reply with 2:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...and 3 leads to something not found in any joseki book.

This can get very complicated very quickly. I must read a bit.


The natural cut at 4 - which is joseki without the surrounding stones - does not work...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . 5 4 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...for, contrary to initial appearances...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . 5 4 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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another blank to make him nervious.
on second thought... little comment on my opponents possible move

below appears to be logical move for black (it may be.. but probably not)
reason for that is after i block (only move) my white is already in the head of two stone.
which means black is headbutting my wall. I have not read all variation yet but it usually bad for black.

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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . 5 X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


then what is right move for black????
only other move i see that may be right would be a or b
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . b . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . 5 X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . 5 X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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O 17 extend
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Magicwand wrote:O 17 extend

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[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Trigger:

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[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:... Comments later...


Today I have a little more time to post. Now that white has played a different line with the extension to O17, there is no point in hiding this.

Joaz Banbeck wrote:...

...if I play 1, he has to reply with 2:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...and 3 leads to something not found in any joseki book.

...The natural cut at 4 - which is joseki without the surrounding stones - does not work...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . 5 4 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...for, contrary to initial appearances...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . 5 4 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...:b5: cannot be captured.


Unfortunately, white can play 4 like this:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I have to play this line:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . 2 . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This secures the corner, and threatens to connect my side and corner over the dead body of S14.
According to my reading, there is no way that he can save S14 in such a manner that he threatens to kill my side. So I should come out with sente. :twisted:
I might play P16.

BTW, according to the books/sites that I have read, the joseki is this:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . 1 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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S15
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Magicwand wrote:S15

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[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . 2 . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . 7 . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoners: :black: :black: :white: :white:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 8 2 . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . 7 . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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