What are the fundamentals?
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Knotwilg
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Re: What are the fundamentals?
Impressive analysis by Uberdude. I can see why he is a regular contestant for the national title.
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Re: What are the fundamentals?
Uberdude, in your first diagram and its following variations, why should White reply at 2? To help Black getting a "Breakthrough to Shodan" wall? No. So White 2 is better a checking extension on the lower side.
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Re: What are the fundamentals?
Knotwilg, thanks, but I'm not sure it really helps. Despite all that analysis I'd probably end up playing the same move as I would in a 5 second blitz! It also helps there aren't many strong players here...
Robert, yes good point "probably hane" was too strong, seeing as k3 or so is still a nice answer. Also maybe black can't really get that wall but white hane at some point, I didn't read the resulting fights. But at least with the d9 push you have a better follow-up than the knight's move (easy to tenuki, with d9 I would pause for thought), but white can ignore that again (because if answer I think it's a good exchange for black even if he next tenukis) and play some other big opening move. But probably answer 5 because it preserves the cut which could be quite valuable?
Actually, I wonder if hane once is good (if black will then answer) and then tenuki, as now black's follow-up is not so good.
But maybe this gives a chance to black for black to correct his direction mistake and you get a rather weird result:
Now white could just continue the game as if black directly extended to k3 (or nearby point), or extend out to a and black's push of 1 becomes a crude bad move. But seeing as white was unlikely to play the knight's move into the centre at this early point in the opening, maybe that local badness is worth tricking white into playing global badness.
Robert, yes good point "probably hane" was too strong, seeing as k3 or so is still a nice answer. Also maybe black can't really get that wall but white hane at some point, I didn't read the resulting fights. But at least with the d9 push you have a better follow-up than the knight's move (easy to tenuki, with d9 I would pause for thought), but white can ignore that again (because if answer I think it's a good exchange for black even if he next tenukis) and play some other big opening move. But probably answer 5 because it preserves the cut which could be quite valuable?
Actually, I wonder if hane once is good (if black will then answer) and then tenuki, as now black's follow-up is not so good.
But maybe this gives a chance to black for black to correct his direction mistake and you get a rather weird result:
Now white could just continue the game as if black directly extended to k3 (or nearby point), or extend out to a and black's push of 1 becomes a crude bad move. But seeing as white was unlikely to play the knight's move into the centre at this early point in the opening, maybe that local badness is worth tricking white into playing global badness.
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John Fairbairn
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Re: What are the fundamentals?
Impressive analysis by Uberdude. I can see why he is a regular contestant for the national title.
Agreed, and it reminds me of a point I've thought of making a few times n this thread, but ducked. It is this: the ability to write a strong narrative about what is going on in a position is the mark of a good player. Less good players may mention the same points but in a discrete or listy way. But if you can tell the story of your game (I mean based entirely on the objective position, not your feelings, so "I was ahead but made a blunder" is a whinge not a story), it shows not just others but yourself that you have understood at least some of what is going on. It is therefore a skill worth cultivating.
The best amateur I ever encountered at doing this was Jan van der Steen. He was an under-ranked EGF 3-dan, I think, but I think he learnt the skill partly from his 6-dan Japanese wife.
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Re: What are the fundamentals?
Uberdude, I have had this sequence in mind. 2 is at a cautious distance respecting the wall. Then both stabilise their left side shapes. Finally, White splits the top.
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Re: What are the fundamentals?
Well, Mimura's comments are interesting. It wasn't until I considered the pincer to "A" that I got the inkling that black's "thickness" isn't so hot, but it didn't alter my thinking much. Also I added 3 candidates in uninteresting areas of the board even though I know better. I am not sure I would really spend time on those in a game---there is a difference between that and this academic exercise---but that's telling. I could have spent more time considering lower side candidates.
I've lost a lot of "walls" against stronger players because they lack eye shape.
I've lost a lot of "walls" against stronger players because they lack eye shape.
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Re: What are the fundamentals?
Hmmm. I didn't come close to Mimura's answer. 
Although, he did make a point of saying one of my ideas was a bad moved like by amateurs. 
Although, he did make a point of saying one of my ideas was a bad moved like by amateurs. -
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Re: What are the fundamentals?
I've lost a lot of "walls" against stronger players because they lack eye shape.
I don't lose walls; I just don't get anything good with them.
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Re: What are the fundamentals?
I think that maybe this position from a no komi game is relevant to fundamentals. At least for a few moves. 
What do you think are the next three moves?
What do you think are the next three moves?
The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
at T2 kills because Black has those extra liberties on the outside. 
at T2 doesn't work either for the smae reason. 
at R1 doesn't work either because Black can capture to gain a liberty that way.-
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Re: What are the fundamentals?
Sorry for the delay.
Off to the doctor's office. I'll get back to this later today.
Hint:
Off to the doctor's office. I'll get back to this later today.
Hint:
The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
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Re: What are the fundamentals?
John Fairbairn wrote:...Here's an example where both higher ranked and lower ranked players can compare themselves to an even higher ranked player, a pro, in picking 5 candidate moves (and then making a final choice, of course - Black to play). I think we can all agree that this sort of position is very common and, both from that point of view and others, fundamental.
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I haven't been on the forum regularly lately, but I was checking back in and wanted to try my hand at this.
Edit: Just read John's answer and saw that I was totally off base, for exactly the reason he suggested I was likely to be off base.
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