Cho Chihoon vs AI(DeepZenGo)

dfan · Post by **dfan** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:38 am

Is the Redmond/Tormanen video available anywhere for free? Nicovideo seems to require a premium account to view it after the fact.

Krama · Post by **Krama** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:21 am

dfan wrote:Is the Redmond/Tormanen video available anywhere for free? Nicovideo seems to require a premium account to view it after the fact.

Not really, this nico site sucks :/

sorin · Post by **sorin** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:42 pm

I found it interesting that Michael Redmond and Myungwan Kim each had different conclusions about the fate of lower-right corner after white played Q3: Michael Redmond pointed out a ko if white's R2 is played as hane at P1 instead, while Myungwan Kim never mentioned this ko.
Cho Chikun's reaction in the game seems to support Michael's thoughts: he was so agitated and talked to himself loudly after white Q3 at move 114, then after white R2 (which is a blunder according to Michael) he became more relieved and quiet again :-)

Did I miss anything in Myungwan's commentary (I didn't watch it entirely, just sampled through it).

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:27 pm

To all those complaining about nico, bear in mind it is owned by Dwango, the company supporting the development of Deep Zen Go. So although we live in a world where free and instant gratification is expected online, a 5 $/€ contribution to the enjoyment and interest this event brings the Go community does not seem unreasonable to me.

@sorin: I didn't watch all Myungwan's commentary either, but in his summary he did say he preferred black's s6 descent as s5 kosumi for cleaner corner kill so that suggests he knew there was something better in there for white.

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:35 pm

Uberdude wrote:To all those complaining about nico, bear in mind it is owned by Dwango, the company supporting the development of Deep Zen Go. So although we live in a world where free and instant gratification is expected online, a 5 $/€ contribution to the enjoyment and interest this event brings the Go community does not seem unreasonable to me.

That doesn't seem unreasonable to me, either.

What does seem unreasonable is all the rights you grant them, along with the right to change their terms -- and that's for the free account! :shock:

(Shocked but not surprised.)

Go_Japan · Post by **Go_Japan** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:18 pm

Bill Spight wrote:
What does seem unreasonable is all the rights you grant them, along with the right to change their terms -- and that's for the free account! (Shocked but not surprised.)

What rights do you grant them?

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:49 pm

Go_Japan wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
What does seem unreasonable is all the rights you grant them, along with the right to change their terms -- and that's for the free account! (Shocked but not surprised.)

What rights do you grant them?

Read the terms of service.

Go_Japan · Post by **Go_Japan** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:32 pm

Bill Spight wrote:
Go_Japan wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
What does seem unreasonable is all the rights you grant them, along with the right to change their terms -- and that's for the free account! (Shocked but not surprised.)

What rights do you grant them?

Read the terms of service.

this? https://account.nicovideo.jp/rules/acco ... uage=en-us
I don't see anything really strange there. I read it very quickly, but the only thing they ask is for copyright of all the text you write on niconico. I have seen them advertise with the videos on their site and the text overlaid on top, so it makes sense. They just want to be able to use it in their advertising and other promotions without someone claiming copyright of the text they write in the comments. Is there something else?

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:29 pm

Bill Spight wrote:
Go_Japan wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
What does seem unreasonable is all the rights you grant them, along with the right to change their terms -- and that's for the free account! (Shocked but not surprised.)

What rights do you grant them?

Read the terms of service.

Go_Japan wrote:this? https://account.nicovideo.jp/rules/acco ... uage=en-us
I don't see anything really strange there. I read it very quickly, but the only thing they ask is for copyright of all the text you write on niconico. I have seen them advertise with the videos on their site and the text overlaid on top, so it makes sense. They just want to be able to use it in their advertising and other promotions without someone claiming copyright of the text they write in the comments. Is there something else?

Everybody can read the TOS and make up their own mind.

Go_Japan · Post by **Go_Japan** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:07 pm

Bill Spight wrote:
Everybody can read the TOS and make up their own mind.

Well, of course, but I was wondering about your opinion, since you mentioned that you didn't like it. I'm not arguing, just curious.

pookpooi · Post by **pookpooi** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:41 pm

I open 3 streams simultaneously (jp+en+aga) without any problem but I muted the Japanese one though cause I don't understand the language and just want to see winrate. I'm also nonpremium account so I can't see winrate all the time and only rarely see zen's territory evaluation (or is it just a count?), but that's ok. It's true that Redmond stream is not in HD though.

Go_Japan · Post by **Go_Japan** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:48 pm

pookpooi wrote:I open 3 streams simultaneously (jp+en+aga) without any problem but I muted the Japanese one though cause I don't understand the language and just want to see winrate. I'm also nonpremium account so I can't see winrate all the time and only rarely see zen's territory evaluation (or is it just a count?), but that's ok. It's true that Redmond stream is not in HD though.

I have premium account and I watched the Japanese stream. I could not see the winrate all the time, but perhaps there is a way to see it that I am not aware of.

pookpooi · Post by **pookpooi** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:48 pm

Go_Japan wrote:I have premium account and I watched the Japanese stream. I could not see the winrate all the time, but perhaps there is a way to see it that I am not aware of.

Person in reddit said it's some kind of overlay, I don't know either, but I'm happy to streaming without stuttering and not kick out of the room.

pookpooi · Post by **pookpooi** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:33 pm

Next AlphaGo match should do this too, but I heard they don't show it because they want to keep the audience suspended and commentator surprised.

But I don't care, I want to see it anyway

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:15 am

Zen won the second game with a typical big centre kill of Cho's desperate invasion.

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