#237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

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[go]$$Bcm90 Black: 1 , White: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O 9 O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O X 0 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm100 Black: 1 , White: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O X . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm100 Black: 1 , White: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X 2 X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O C O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O X . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm100 Black: 2 , White: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X O X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O . O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm100 Black: 2 , White: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X O X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O . O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O 3 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If my reading is accurate I can expect this result at the end of this ko:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X X X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O X . X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . X O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It is unfortunately gote, but it is also more than 20 points bigger than winning the ko, and there is always the possibility that things might turn out better and let me kill his topside group.
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[go]$$Bcm100 Black: 2 , White: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X O X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O . O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O X . X . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm tempted to take the ko, but I'm not sure how this would end (white 7 at e.g. a or b):

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[go]$$Bcm100 Black: 2 , White: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X 7 X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O 5 O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O 3 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O X . X . 6 . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O . b . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm100 Black: 2 , White: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X O X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O . O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O X . X . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It looks like living is not enough. I need to live with two groups, or kill his dragon. It is hard to tell how the game will go. I estimate about a 50% chance of winning.
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[go]$$Bcm100 Black: 2 , White: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X O X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O . O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O X . X . X 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have tried and tried to read this, but it seems I always find a new variant. Therefore I admit that reading this position is beyond my ability. It is starting to look bleak, however.

The other option, of course, is to retake the ko, but according to my (insufficient) reading it seems like a worse choice:

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[go]$$Bc :b7: @ :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X 4 X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O 1 O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O X . X 8 X 5 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm100 Black: 2 , White: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X O C C |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O . O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O X . X . X 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It looks like I can't live on the bottom, but capturing is now sente so maybe that is enough. I'll probably seal in the to[ group, but I also have some really big weaknesses in the bottom left. I doubt I will have time to fix any of that though. I guess jumping into the corner is an option if the approach stone is attacked.
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[go]$$Bcm100 Black: 4 , White: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O . O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O X O 9 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O X . X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm a bit surprised he chose to end the ko now. If I have read correctly (probably not), I can kill his N9-group and thus save my N12-group, which I think is an acceptable end result.
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[go]$$Bcm100 Black: 4 , White: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X O . O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . X X X . |
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Here we go. I am still behind, but I might be able to pull through somehow.
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Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

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Hmm, will he be able to kill me? I don't know, but it looks bad. In any case, I couldn't find a better response.
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Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

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After collecting myself for several months, I have decided to resign at this point. It looks like to win I would need to kill the top group (which doesn't seem likely), and turn all of my frameworks into territory. So maybe if I got 3 free moves I could still win. Thanks for the game TJ, and sorry about the long wait.
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Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

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Thank you for the game. I shall read all the hidden comments with great interest.
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