2016 Samsung Cup

[ewan1971]

Ke Jie just beat Kono Rin by resignation (in 150 moves) to take the China-Japan Agon Cup. Without taking a breather from his Samsung Cup victory, Ke flew straight to Japan for the Agon cup. This kid is really something else. Maybe we should have a thread dedicated to Ke Jie. What do yo guys think?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRaGHjcv0T8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q3OkN-TApo&t=0s

[idontgetit]

I remember Kong Jie winning like 3 titles in 2010, with some smatterings of 2nd places in '09 and '11. Or something like that. But no one remembers him now. And remember Piao Wenyao? Jiang Weijie?

While Ke Jie is doing pretty impressively so far, he hasn't shown enough evidence that he will be here to stay for good. I don't like how his name is so similar to Kong Jie... =/

Let's wait a bit longer.

[John Fairbairn]

Let's wait a bit longer.

We just have to wait till he gets married

[Uberdude]

idontgetit seems to have a rather high standard to think a topic deserves a thread, I say make one if you want to. Threads are cheap.

Btw I still remember Kong Jie, he had a very nice style.

[xiayun]

The advantage Ke Jie has on Kong Jie is age. He was the youngest to win a 3rd international title, and now he is the youngest to win his 4th. And the fact that he has sustained a great level of excellence in both league and international plays for 3 years running now does make him stand out from past young champions and make him the most promising star we've seen in some time. And he is not getting married any time soon.

After the game against Kono Rin, Ke Jie admitted as much that fatigue played a role in him misreading the life-and-death situation on the right side and essentially gave Rin a free move due to the ko, and what continues to impress me is his ability to judge the overall situation on the board and maintain a clear head even right after realizing the misread. He knew he was fine as long as he could make the two groups alive, and in fact, he said in the post-game interview that because Rin played several bad ko threats in the middle, he could still win even if his upper group were to die.

[ewan1971]

I remember Kong Jie winning like 3 titles in 2010, with some smatterings of 2nd places in '09 and '11. Or something like that. But no one remembers him now. And remember Piao Wenyao? Jiang Weijie?

While Ke Jie is doing pretty impressively so far, he hasn't shown enough evidence that he will be here to stay for good. I don't like how his name is so similar to Kong Jie... =/

Let's wait a bit longer.

Kong had one brilliant year. One. When he was 27 years of age. Ke is barely 19 and already has four international titles under his belt.

And you don't like Ke Jie because his name is similar to Kong Jie? Or did I misunderstand you?

[ewan1971]

Let's wait a bit longer.

We just have to wait till he gets married

That's a myth. Marriage doesn't impact playing strength as much as it's made out to be; it's having kids that probably impacts more. Then again you have to take into consideration that by the time a player is old enough to have kids, his/her age alone probably accounts for the declining strength.

[hyperpape]

I remember Kong Jie winning like 3 titles in 2010, with some smatterings of 2nd places in '09 and '11. Or something like that. But no one remembers him now. And remember Piao Wenyao? Jiang Weijie.

I suspect that's a somewhat skewed perspective. He was apparently #1 by rating in China in 2003, 2007, 2010, and was in the top ten on goratings for that entire period. I'm sure Ke Jie is hoping for even more success than that, but I'm not sure Kong Jie is a great example of a flash in the pan player.

Edit: replaced 'Ke Jie' with 'Kong Jie' in the last sentence.

[idontgetit]

I remember Kong Jie winning like 3 titles in 2010, with some smatterings of 2nd places in '09 and '11. Or something like that. But no one remembers him now. And remember Piao Wenyao? Jiang Weijie?

While Ke Jie is doing pretty impressively so far, he hasn't shown enough evidence that he will be here to stay for good. I don't like how his name is so similar to Kong Jie... =/

Let's wait a bit longer.

Kong had one brilliant year. One. When he was 27 years of age. Ke is barely 19 and already has four international titles under his belt.

And you don't like Ke Jie because his name is similar to Kong Jie? Or did I misunderstand you?

No, it was a joke. As in, they're names are similar, hopefully they don't end up in a similar way.

Ke Jie might be young, but Fan Tingyu was young when he won the ING cup, but didn't do TOO much the past 4 years until this year in the nongshim cup. Look, all I was trying to say is that Ke Jie is not yet on LCH or Wu Qingyuan's level, yet. And it remains to be seen whether he will reach such a height. But of course what he's done already is very impressive, and I think he has a very good chance of reaching LCH/LSD level.

BTW is there a way to stay logged in? I hate getting logged out every day or other day... I do check they stay logged in thing, but it doesn't really work.

[ewan1971]

I remember Kong Jie winning like 3 titles in 2010, with some smatterings of 2nd places in '09 and '11. Or something like that. But no one remembers him now. And remember Piao Wenyao? Jiang Weijie?

While Ke Jie is doing pretty impressively so far, he hasn't shown enough evidence that he will be here to stay for good. I don't like how his name is so similar to Kong Jie... =/

Let's wait a bit longer.

Kong had one brilliant year. One. When he was 27 years of age. Ke is barely 19 and already has four international titles under his belt.

And you don't like Ke Jie because his name is similar to Kong Jie? Or did I misunderstand you?

No, it was a joke. As in, they're names are similar, hopefully they don't end up in a similar way.

Ke Jie might be young, but Fan Tingyu was young when he won the ING cup, but didn't do TOO much the past 4 years until this year in the nongshim cup. Look, all I was trying to say is that Ke Jie is not yet on LCH or Wu Qingyuan's level, yet. And it remains to be seen whether he will reach such a height. But of course what he's done already is very impressive, and I think he has a very good chance of reaching LCH/LSD level.

BTW is there a way to stay logged in? I hate getting logged out every day or other day... I do check they stay logged in thing, but it doesn't really work.

1) Fan Tingyu is not Ke Jie, and Ke Jie is not Fan Tingyu. Both are 19, but one has four world titles, and the other has one. So I don't see your point of comparing the two.

2) Sorry, but I never said Ke is on the same level as Lee Changho or Go Seigen. I'm afraid you are erecting one too many straw men here.

I think the gist of my original post was quite clear and reasonable: Ke Jie has done impressively for someone who is only 19. Perhaps he deserves a dedicated thread here to follow his career. If Iyama has a dedicated thread here, surely Ke Jie deserves one, no?

I have no problem if you disagree. Furthermore, I don't even have a problem with you disliking Ke Jie because his name sounds too similar to Kong Jie. My problem was with your lack of logic. But hey, to each his or her own.

[Bonobo]

Just for documentation, and because I don't like it if words are twisted in somebody’s mouth

[..] Ke Jie [..] I don't like how his name is so similar to Kong Jie [..]

(emphasis added by me)

[Kirby]

@ewan1971: Just make a Ke Jie thread if you're a fan. I don't see what you're waiting for

[idontgetit]

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[Uberdude]

Let's wait a bit longer.

We just have to wait till he gets married

That's a myth. Marriage doesn't impact playing strength as much as it's made out to be; it's having kids that probably impacts more.

I lost all British Championship title match games I played whilst unmarried, and have won all since I got married .

[idontgetit]

Chen Yaoye won the Bailing cup after getting married. Not sure if he's been married for a while or he just got married, but he's married.