L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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Welcome to Round 5 of the L19 Go Problem Championship.

All problems are black to play. As usual, provide your solutions either via hide tags, or direct private message to me.

Problem 1 (3 points)
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ | . O . X . . . . . .
$$ | . X O X X X O . O .
$$ | . X X O O O O . . .
$$ | O O O , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

Problem 2 (6 points)
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X . . . . O X X . |
$$ . X O . . X . O X . |
$$ . X O . O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

Problem 3 (9 points)
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X .
$$ | . X . X O . O . . O X .
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . X .
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$B
$$ --------------------
$$| . O . X . . . . . .
$$| . X O X X X O . O .
$$| . X X O O O O . . .
$$| O O O , . . . . . ,
$$| . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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[go]$$B (a), (b) miai life
$$ --------------------
$$| . O a X . b . . . .
$$| 1 X O X X X O . O .
$$| . X X O O O O . . .
$$| O O O , . . . . . ,
$$| . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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[go]$$B ko for life
$$ --------------------
$$| . O 1 X . 3 . . . .
$$| 2 X O X X X O . O .
$$| . X X O O O O . . .
$$| O O O , . . . . . ,
$$| . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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[go]$$B ko for life
$$ --------------------
$$| . O X X . X . . . .
$$| O X . X X X O . O .
$$| 4 X X O O O O . . .
$$| O O O , . . . . . ,
$$| . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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[go]$$B
$$----------------------
$$ . X . . . . O X X . |
$$ . X O . . X . O X . |
$$ . X O . O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
W lives:
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[go]$$B :b5: at :wc:
$$----------------------
$$ . X . . 4 1 W X X . |
$$ . X O . 2 X 3 O X . |
$$ . X O 6 O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
:study:
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[go]$$B
$$----------------------
$$ . X . . 1 . O X X . |
$$ . X O . . X . O X . |
$$ . X O . O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
:study:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X .
$$ | . X . X O . O . . O X .
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . X .
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]
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Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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@EdLee:
Problem 1 is correct.
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Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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Problem 1 :
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ | . O 3 X . 2 . . . .
$$ | 1 X O X X X O . O .
$$ | . X X O O O O . . .
$$ | O O O , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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Problem 1
Ko. Black takes first.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ | 5 O 3 X . 1 . . . .
$$ | 2 X O X X X O . O .
$$ | 4 X X O O O O . . .
$$ | O O O , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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mongus wrote:
Problem 1 :
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ | . O 3 X . 2 . . . .
$$ | 1 X O X X X O . O .
$$ | . X X O O O O . . .
$$ | O O O , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
@mongus:
Correct!
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Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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hyperpape wrote:Problem 1
Ko. Black takes first.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ | 5 O 3 X . 1 . . . .
$$ | 2 X O X X X O . O .
$$ | 4 X X O O O O . . .
$$ | O O O , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
@hyperpape:
Good work! Can you get better than ko, now?
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Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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1.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ | . O . X . . . . . .
$$ | 1 X O X X X O . O .
$$ | . X X O O O O . . .
$$ | O O O , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
2.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X 5 3 4 . O X X . |
$$ . X O 2 1 X 6 O X . |
$$ . X O 7 O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Variation: after B5, a and b miai
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X 5 3 a . O X X . |
$$ . X O 2 1 X 4 O X . |
$$ . X O b O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Variation:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X 4 3 6 . O X X . |
$$ . X O 2 1 X . O X . |
$$ . X O 5 O O O O X . |
$$ , X 7 X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Variation:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X . 3 . . O X X . |
$$ . X O 2 1 X 5 O X . |
$$ . X O 4 O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

B3 & W4 fails:
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[go]$$Bc 9=1
$$ --------------------
$$ . X 7 5 4 8 O X X . |
$$ . X O 2 1 X 6 O X . |
$$ . X O 3 O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
However, with B3 white has strong resistance:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X 7 4 8 9 O X X . |
$$ . X O 2 1 X 6 O X . |
$$ . X O 3 O O O O X . |
$$ , X 5 X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
(Cont'd)
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[go]$$Wc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X X 2 3 X O X X . |
$$ . X . 1 X X O O X . |
$$ . X . X O O O O X . |
$$ , X X X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Variation:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X . . . . O X X . |
$$ . X O . 1 X 3 O X . |
$$ . X O 2 O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Variation:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X 5 . . . O X X . |
$$ . X O 3 1 X 2 O X . |
$$ . X O 4 O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
B fails
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X . . 3 . O X X . |
$$ . X O 4 2 X . O X . |
$$ . X O 1 O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
B fails
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X 3 . 1 . O X X . |
$$ . X O . 4 X 2 O X . |
$$ . X O . O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
3.
Ko:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X . 4 . 5 9 O X .
$$ | . X . X O . O 8 . O X .
$$ | . X . . X 2 1 0 O . X .
$$ | . . X . . 3 6 7 O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]
B5 fails:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X . 4 . 6 . O X .
$$ | . X . X O . O . . O X .
$$ | . X . . X 2 1 . O . X .
$$ | . . X . . 3 5 . O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]
W4 fails:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X 8 . 9 0 b O X .
$$ | . X . X O 4 O 6 a O X .
$$ | . X . . X 2 1 c O 7 X .
$$ | . . X . . 3 5 . O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]
Variation:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X 8 7 . 6 . O X .
$$ | . X . X O 4 O 9 . O X .
$$ | . X . . X 2 1 . O . X .
$$ | . . X . . 3 5 . O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]
Variation:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X 6 . . . . O X .
$$ | . X . X O 4 O 7 . O X .
$$ | . X . . X 2 1 . O . X .
$$ | . . X . . 3 5 . O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]
Variation:
After 7, a and b miai
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X 7 5 a 2 . O X .
$$ | . X . X O 4 O . b O X .
$$ | . X . . X 3 1 6 O . X .
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]
Variation:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X 5 7 a 6 . O X .
$$ | . X . X O 4 O . b O X .
$$ | . X . . X 3 1 2 O . X .
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]
B3 fails
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X . 4 . 6 . O X .
$$ | . X . X O 3 O . . O X .
$$ | . X . . X 5 1 2 O . X .
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]
B fails
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X 6 . 7 5 . O X .
$$ | . X . X O 4 O 3 . O X .
$$ | . X . . X 1 2 . O . X .
$$ | . . X . . . 8 . O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]
B fails
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X 5 a . 6 . O X .
$$ | . X . X O 4 O 3 b O X .
$$ | . X . . X 1 2 . O . X .
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]
B fails
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X .
$$ | . X . X O 3 O 4 . O X .
$$ | . X . . X 1 2 . O . X .
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]
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Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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Problem 1 redux:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ | c O a X . b . . . .
$$ | 1 X O X X X O . O .
$$ | . X X O O O O . . .
$$ | O O O , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
a and b are miai. Black either makes an eye to the left of b or two eyes from captures at a and c.
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Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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@gamesorry:
Problems 1 and 2 are correct.

For Problem 3, did you consider this?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . .
$$ | . . . . X O O O O X X .
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X .
$$ | . X . X O . O 2 . O X .
$$ | . X . . X . 1 . O . X .
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O X .
$$ ------------------------[/go]
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Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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@hyperpape:
You've got it! Good work :tmbup:
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Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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Problem 2:
This one was funny, at least if I've managed to get it right. It was pretty easy to see that a, b, and c fail, so I was looking at d.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X . . . a O X X . |
$$ . X O c d X b O X . |
$$ . X O . O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X . 5 4 . O X X . |
$$ . X O 2 1 X 6 O X . |
$$ . X O 3 O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


For the longest time, I had read this far, but couldn't see that :w6: made a false eye after B connects. I had to set up a board to see that there's a throw-in.
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Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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hyperpape wrote:Problem 2:
This one was funny, at least if I've managed to get it right. It was pretty easy to see that a, b, and c fail, so I was looking at d.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X . . . a O X X . |
$$ . X O c d X b O X . |
$$ . X O . O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X . 5 4 . O X X . |
$$ . X O 2 1 X 6 O X . |
$$ . X O 3 O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


For the longest time, I had read this far, but couldn't see that :w6: made a false eye after B connects. I had to set up a board to see that there's a throw-in.
@hyperpape:
Did you consider this move?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X . 4 . . O X X . |
$$ . X O 2 1 X . O X . |
$$ . X O 3 O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Hint:
You are pretty close.
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Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

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Kirby wrote:
@hyperpape:
Did you consider this move?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X . 4 . . O X X . |
$$ . X O 2 1 X . O X . |
$$ . X O 3 O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Not in detail. I think I figured that there weren't enough liberties. So the issue is this under the stones play?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X 3 O 4 5 O X X . |
$$ . X O O X X 2 O X . |
$$ . X O X O O O O X . |
$$ , X 1 X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Maybe if we change the order of moves?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X 4 3 6 . O X X . |
$$ . X O 2 1 X . O X . |
$$ . X O 5 O O O O X . |
$$ , X 7 X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
White can try the throw in.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ . X 5 3 4 . O X X . |
$$ . X O 2 1 X 6 O X . |
$$ . X O . O O O O X . |
$$ , X . X X O , O X . |
$$ . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
But we're back to Black being able to make the eye false.
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Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 5

Post by Kirby »

@hyperpape:
Yup! The under-the-stones trick was the thing to watch out for, and you found it. Changing the order of moves fixes the problem, and solves it.

You're on a roll. :tmbup:
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