I have beaten some players consistently online (OGS) rated 2-400 points above me in the EGF. And I am losing consistently in over the board games (in tournaments) against much weaker players. And players I play even over the board have online ratings spreading as much as 5 stones and vice versa.
Notice the number of games both online and over the board which are decided by the last mistake. Anxiety (not only online go anxiety, but tournament go anxiety as well) may well be a major factor then. My impression is that such factors easily contribute +/- 3 stones to performance.
tapir wrote:I have beaten some players consistently online (OGS) rated 2-400 points above me in the EGF. And I am losing consistently in over the board games (in tournaments) against much weaker players. And players I play even over the board have online ratings spreading as much as 5 stones and vice versa.
Notice the number of games both online and over the board which are decided by the last mistake. Anxiety (not only online go anxiety, but tournament go anxiety as well) may well be a major factor then. My impression is that such factors easily contribute +/- 3 stones to performance.
It's possible, but turn based servers offer a number of reasons that contribute hugely. Many people spend up to an hour on individual moves trying to play the best games possible with the time available (Uberdude, real life 3d and OGS 6d, is one of these). Other people (myself included) rarely spend longer than 5 seconds on their turn based server games, and almost never spend a minute on any move. I suspect this thinking time difference can easily equate to 3 or 4 stones or more. KGS is a much closer proxy to OTB than OGS or DGS.
My ranks: Swedish IRL: 2 kyu EGF (GoR): 1728 KGS: 4 kyu OGS: 7.4 kyu (only few games played) DGS: 8 kyu WBaduk: 10 kyu(?)
Notes: One of the tournamenst which gave me my 2 kyu Swedish Rank is not reported to EGD (which is a bit embarassing, since I am responsible but I haven't recieved the results file despite numerous reminders). Also Swedish rank works a little different than GoR.
On DGS/OGS I play rather sloppy, and since it can take a while between moves I tend to drop focus.
On WBaduk I got hammered down by some quite strong 10+ kyus with not that many games played, also I have problems with some obviously bad moves they make on that server. Not sure if I'm exactly 10k, could be 12 or 8...
IMHO All this (almost) doesn't matter at all, and I can't understand the poster who said "it must suck". The "almost" comes from that I regularly meet people who cannot understand that a rank in one environment/system is for that one only, and think that I'm overranked/sandbagging. Also, once I almost wasn't allowed to play by my Swedish Rank in London Open, they wanted me to use (the then IIRC 3 stones weaker) GoR.
I didn't think wbaduk is remotely accurate at the 10k level. Try making a 2k account there-- you might do just fine. It also might depend on the server you use.
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daniel_the_smith wrote:I didn't think wbaduk is remotely accurate at the 10k level. Try making a 2k account there-- you might do just fine. It also might depend on the server you use.
Agreed. On Korean s1 server, 2k is about 3k kgs (altho it varies a little by time of day)
