Kirby's Study Journal
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Wife wanted to drink tonight, so no game today. I have a work event tomorrow evening, so I'll aim to play another game on Friday.
Stay tuned.
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal
I've been using CrazySensei to analyze some of my games recently, and oneo thing it's made abundantly clear is that nearly every close game at my level is decided by a series of huge endgame errors.But going through the game, I see that I made a series of endgame mistakes - even ones that I can see.
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As promised, I played another game today.
Incidentally, it appears to have been the same opponent. Maybe we're the only ones that use automatch around 1k at this time of day.
Here's the game record.
Incidentally, it appears to have been the same opponent. Maybe we're the only ones that use automatch around 1k at this time of day.
Here's the game record.
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My biggest question from the last game is just in this position.
What's the best way to respond to the marked stone??
What's the best way to respond to the marked stone??
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As a side note, one of my wife's magazines was opened, and I noticed an article about weight loss walking by. I didn't really read the article thoroughly because I was preoccupied with something else, but it was some Q&A article with a question to the effect of getting motivation to lose weight and become the weight they once were like 15 years ago. The weight loss guru recommended not to compare to the person's previous self, and to just look at their current weight and body situation, and see what they could do to improve it.
I find myself in the same situation with go these days. I feel that I'm weaker for sure (not a lot, since I was never that much stronger than 1d-ish on KGS), and it's tempting to compare myself to that time. Maybe that results in a bit of overplay on my part.
Maybe a better strategy is to assess my current situation: on par with losing to KGS 1k these days, overplaying, and not reading situations deeply enough.
I think I have to admit that to myself before I can really advance.
Hard to do with my pride, though.
I find myself in the same situation with go these days. I feel that I'm weaker for sure (not a lot, since I was never that much stronger than 1d-ish on KGS), and it's tempting to compare myself to that time. Maybe that results in a bit of overplay on my part.
Maybe a better strategy is to assess my current situation: on par with losing to KGS 1k these days, overplaying, and not reading situations deeply enough.
I think I have to admit that to myself before I can really advance.
Hard to do with my pride, though.
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal
I would have pincered at Q12 or R12 (and the fact that two stronger players voted for the opposite shows that I am probably wrong!). Normally I would want to play something like O16, using my thickness below to make the Black stone uncomfortable while making territory at the top, but I don't feel intuitively that White's position on the lower right side is thick at all; it has a bunch of cutting points and few liberties. So I would instinctively want to play a move like Q12 that indirectly protects those cutting points while attacking Black.Kirby wrote:My biggest question from the last game is just in this position.
What's the best way to respond to the marked stone??
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My feeling is to play the usualKirby wrote:My biggest question from the last game is just in this position.
What's the best way to respond to the marked stone??
A pincer at "a" also comes to mind, but a double kakari looks good for Black. Besides, AlphaGo seems not to like pincers, and likes to leave unsettled groups around.
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For what it's worth, I let Crazy Stone look at the position for a while (15 million playouts), and the pincer of R12 was its second favorite move. Its top move, by a hair, was something that did not occur to me for even an instant:O16 is a little behind them.
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The reason I'm reluctant to pincer is that I can't get much on the right.
CrazyStone's favorite move is interesting, though, I don't get the intention.
Is this a situation where CS thinks white is behind and needs to play aggressively?
CrazyStone's favorite move is interesting, though, I don't get the intention.
Is this a situation where CS thinks white is behind and needs to play aggressively?
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I think it's just that Black's lower left group (E5 et al) is not necessarily strong. With G10 White threatens to either barrel through the middle or make Black have to work for two eyes with his lower left group while White harasses him.Kirby wrote:CrazyStone's favorite move is interesting, though, I don't get the intention.
Is this a situation where CS thinks white is behind and needs to play aggressively?
If I recall correctly Crazy Stone thought the game at that point was very close with a small advantage to Black (52 or 53% chance of winning).
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CrazyStone's move is interesting, pointing out that black's lower left wall is not alive. I think the plan is something like below if black ignores to double approach. 3 is locally sente to cut, but in gote and bad shape so maybe black can block at 4 as 8 is pleasing as white's very short of liberties but maybe he can duke it out as the wall needs to come back to live, if that's even possible (a-e is shape feeling but seems not to live).
So maybe white extends once, making a/b miai:
Or perhaps cap directly, the shortage of liberties of the 2 centre stones means white can handle a-e:
And if black does answer the extension, where to do so? Something like jump out to 3 above still leaves bad aji of peep and cut, and white could use them to reduce the centre, or sacrifice them as it will take black several moves to capture them. On the other hand if black played atari there he gets very thick in the centre so as well as safety for the wall white can't reduce his centre potential easily.
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Yeah, I get that it's not strong. Just hard for me to play that way - it's pretty contrary to my intuition. Maybe I'll feel differently later.dfan wrote: I think it's just that Black's lower left group (E5 et al) is not necessarily strong.
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I played against KGS 1d today, since my rank got back to 1d.
Here's the game record:
I think I could have died in one of the variations. Also, the opening didn't seem very good to me. Not exactly sure where that got messed up. Maybe with my experimental joseki on the left.
Some highlights: Above, I think black's marked move flattens my shape, and makes for a great game for black.
I guess I can blame my choice of the marked white move?
Another one: I think that my "eye-stealing-tesuji" was not that effective, since his move at 'a' seems better than I thought. If he had disconnected me as in the variation, my marked white group didn't have many liberties.
Those are the main takeaways for me from this game, since after the capture, things got more comfortable.
1.) Should avoid getting into that weird shape in the opening..
2.) Careful about unnecessary peeps and "eye-stealing-tesji" type moves.
Here's the game record:
I think I could have died in one of the variations. Also, the opening didn't seem very good to me. Not exactly sure where that got messed up. Maybe with my experimental joseki on the left.
Some highlights: Above, I think black's marked move flattens my shape, and makes for a great game for black.
I guess I can blame my choice of the marked white move?
Another one: I think that my "eye-stealing-tesuji" was not that effective, since his move at 'a' seems better than I thought. If he had disconnected me as in the variation, my marked white group didn't have many liberties.
Those are the main takeaways for me from this game, since after the capture, things got more comfortable.
1.) Should avoid getting into that weird shape in the opening..
2.) Careful about unnecessary peeps and "eye-stealing-tesji" type moves.
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Here's the continuation of a pro game I started to go through a few days ago.
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