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(Do not take me too serious here please)You must also address this question.Gomoto wrote:A friend asked me for my take on a tewari look at the move:
After the white 6-3 move black would like to play at a. The answer at b is not the optimal move for black. So in my opinion the tewari heuristic is a further argument in favor of the early inside approach move.
(Emphasis mine.)Gomoto wrote:a is played in some pro games (seldom), even without the hoshi stone.
It is even better with the 4-4 exchange already in place.
OC, in a game, if your opponent does not refute your play, so far, so good. OTOH, if that play lowers your win rate, be it ever so slightly, it is your burden.Gomoto wrote:It is not my burden, it is the burden of my opponent
But here you are studying fuseki in a go forum, where we are discussing plays, not making them. Not that anybody can prove much about not unreasonable opening plays, but your perception that no one has refuted your play is not an argument in its favor. It is up to you to make that argument.(a little) more serious:
I am quite content if alphago zero and my pro database are asserting a move is fine. I am not trying to proof anything.
I suppose you mean Black's response to White's 6-3 play. What does Kombilo, and more importantly, you, say about White's 6-3 play? You say that it is rare in pro play. Is it more frequent than 16/101? Or is it much less frequent? If 16/101 is good enough for you, then p < 16/101 should be even better.Kombilo (3-4 versus 4-4) 85 to 16 good enough for me
If I criticize your methods, it is because I would like for you to learn something. I am not putting you down.Gomoto wrote:In the further discussion I prefer adplay arguments over adhominem arguments
If you think my move is bad, just show me and dont critisize my methods
No, I did not question or dispute that.Gomoto wrote: There are two seperate points:
I. (comparing two positions, assigning a value to them)
the tewari analysis:
Is the 6-3 move better if the 4-4 answer is already in place and black can not choose to play on the 3-4 point anymore? (I think yes, and you doubted this. I quoted my Kombilo database proportion to support my point of view)
Not good enough. It matter to the tewari. In the tewari, if play B in response to play A is not so good, that is one thing. But if the original play A is even worse, then the position with B first and A second is not so good for the player who plays A.II. (is a move reasonable at all, no comparison, no value assigned)
Is a move reasonable choice at all? (talking about the 6-3 point in this case, here I do not look at a proportion at all, i just look if it ever appears in pro play)
You don't just say that it is a reasonable move, you say that it is as good as playing the 4-4 in the open corner.I do not say the 6-3 inside approach is better than any other viable play, I just say it is a reasonable move.