A way to improve reading skills 2.0

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:01 pm

Fedya · Post by **Fedya** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:26 am

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:01 am

How about this play?

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Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:42 am

Answer:

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c is the most often played move in my pro database (in this local position). (13x) (Congrats Blindgroup

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d is played 8x
e is played 8x
f is played 4x
b is played 3x
my "blunder" a is played 0x

Zen 7 is suggesting that a,b,c and d have about the same value (whole board) (Zen also likes Q18).

I think c is most often played because it takes profit at once, it has good follow up moves and it avoids further complications down the line. Similar b and d strengthen the black position in the upper left. Move a is not a bad move but a bit loose compared to the other moves, probably there are more ways for white to mess around later. (For example in the game:

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Bill`s move is also around the same value as a, b, c and d.

Ed Lee, your move is also possible, I think a good answer for white would be:

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:42 pm

c is the most often played move in my pro database.

For the local situation ?

Zen 7 is suggesting that a,b,c and d have about the same value (Zen also likes Q18).

For the given whole board position ?

Hmm...

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Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:31 pm

@Edlee (I also updated the answer)

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Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:02 pm

Problem 5:

I managed to play a good opening as black against a 5d opponent (Winrate black: 65%). But I also managed to blunder big time with the next move:

What is your next move?

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Solution:

a, b, c, (d) are valid moves for black.

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Failure:
I blundered this ugly move

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Fedya · Post by **Fedya** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:51 pm

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Black has weaknesses at both a and b. I don't see a way to defend both with one move.

Majordomo · Post by **Majordomo** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:31 am

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Just intuitively without checkin any reading or counting (so using my "blitz" eyes so to speak) I'd play a or b - probably A with the idea that I'll settle my weak group while harrassing white's only potential on the board then I'll get to go back and build while attacking his three stones

dfan · Post by **dfan** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:57 am

a is my ten-seconds-of-thinking move as well, isolating White's three stones in the middle and potentially helping out an invasion on the left side. I think it might even protect against the cut at D14, though when I initially looked I was content to give those two stones away if they got cut.

Edit: no, it doesn't protect the cut. I'm still fine with giving away those two stones for a new string of stones on the 13th line.

Knotwilg · Post by **Knotwilg** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:06 am

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Two observations: the top is the big area and White is already slightly overconcentrated at the left side. Therefore the moves to consider are 'd', simply staking out the top, and 'b' gaining extra influence while overconcentrating White even more. This gives rise to the question whether 'b' is sente. Move 'c' and Bill's 'e' are too single minded for my taste. Neither affects the left side in a major way and so White has hands free to move into the big top side. In that respect 'c' is better than 'e' because it takes territory. Finally, Ed's 'f' attacks the white group from an uninteresting side. It's better to wait until the action at the top reveals whether a move around 'g' or 'h' would become double purpose.

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Answering the question, I find White has more flexibility to switch his attention from the left side to the top and corner. Black's 'a' next does not look all that devastating, while White's 'b' grabs the corner. It seems to me that Black is making things too complicated.

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I like the simplicity of 'd' in the original diagram, 1 here, better. I'm not entirely happy with the remainder of the development, but still feel that White is overconcentrated.

Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:52 am

Problem 6:
I blundered and instantly knew my reaction to this black play was wrong. What is your intuiton for white's next move?

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Solution:

Fedya · Post by **Fedya** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:14 pm

dfan · Post by **dfan** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:32 pm

Since you ask for intuition and not for reading

the first move I look at is cutting across the knight's move:

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sorin · Post by **sorin** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:51 pm

EdLee wrote:
What do you think about (e) ( aiming at (f) ) ?
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