#266 kasai vs emeraldemon

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Re: #266 kasai vs emeraldemon

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Much depends on black's next move...
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Re: #266 kasai vs emeraldemon

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Ahaha, once again, I got bogged down in the local fight and didn't think about the big picture. I'm going to think about this some...
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Re: #266 kasai vs emeraldemon

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So those three stones are potentially in trouble, but ignoring feels wrong, and I'm having trouble reading, so we're going with this. If I can get it, I'll take still going after the B9 group... but we'll see.
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Sorry I thought "Hmm I should think about this" and then forgot about it. I'd like to keep up with one move a day if possible, but I haven't been playing that way so far...

Only move? I am banking on black needing to capture my single stone at some point.
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I'm still concerned about those three stones there, but I also don't want to let him out into the center. I'm going to prioritize that, and come back to those stones if he attacks them.
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Re: #266 kasai vs emeraldemon

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I'm still concerned about those three stones there, but I also don't want to let him out into the center. I'm going to prioritize that, and come back to those stones if he attacks them.


I'm concerned about that... I think if b gives up the 3 stones like this, he is still very comfortable:

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Maybe white should take them like this(?):

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trying to save them seems dangerous for black to me:

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looks messy, seems hard to keep everything for b. Edit: Why dont my diagrams work?
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I think black will respond, then I will pull out the single white stone.
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I'm still worried about those three stones, but I'm going to still prioritize the center.
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Possible trade?

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Without much in the calculation of variations, :w29: looks dubious to me. After :b30: White has strengthened Black's wall for nothing. Continuing at "a" is no real threat, because of Black's reply at "b". If White is going to play at "a", wouldn't it be better to do so right away? White might be able to sacrifice the stone at "a" to escape into the center. OC, White plans to extend to "c" next, but, again, why strengthen Black before doing so?

Also, if White omits 29 there is the possibility, probably remote, that White could get in a play at "d" and then play the hane at 30, either after a play at "e" or threatening that cut.
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I recently found a new job that is keeping me very busy. I think I need to resign this game. I am very sorry, it was just getting interesting! But I don't have much free time these days.
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No worries, thanks for the game!
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