The Story of a Loser - The Great Pitfall of Studying Go!

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Re: The Story of a Loser - Simultaneous Games!

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Knotwilg wrote:Indeed. Such blitz games harnass bad habits and there are a few

- peeping from the inside
- taking 1 point sente moves in the middle game (aka removing ko threats)
- walking along a mutual border of something clearly bigger on the other side
- ...

Measures:

"Next game, after every move I will ...
- sit on my hands
- sing a song
- count top 20
- look at 3 moves, even if I know exactly what to do
- ..."
Yeah.
No matter how hard I try to not play blitz on the internet, I fall into the trap rather quickly.

Honestly, I'd stop playing go online in a heartbeat, if there were more people in Belgium playing Go.
Actually maybe even then stop playing the internet is an option... For me it just doesn't feel like Go. You miss the face-to-face interaction, I lack the deep patience I have in a real game, you sit in front of your computer more than you want... Something to definitely think about, because these games right now, I don't know if they're helping me improve my Go.

I think the big difference with my 10 game review series was that I was on vacation. Now I come home from work and if I play a go game online, I just can't get into it like I did in my vacation. So rather than improving, I get frustrated quickly because - let's face it - I play rubbish.


Anyway, I need to find a good solution for the problem.
- Not playing online seems hard. I don't think my go would improve as much because of the limited amount of matches I'll end up playing. So I'll need to find a solution where I play online.

Maybe playing after coming home from work is just not the optimal way for me to play Go. That'd mean I'd have to limit my game playing to like 2-3 games a week, which isn't that much. On the other hand, playing without thinking/reading is probably even worse.

Or try any of the hints you gave.
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Hi Ian,

When you play online at home, do you use only a computer ?
( That is, no real Go equipment involved. )
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EdLee wrote:Hi Ian,

When you play online at home, do you use only a computer ?
( That is, no real Go equipment involved. )
Interesting...
Yes, so far I've only used a computer when playing online.
Back when I started, I wanted to play online and also use a real board to play, but (ironically) I thought I'd lose too much time that way.
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also use a real board to play, but (ironically) I thought I'd lose too much time that way.
Set up the time control such that it compensates for the extra time needed to relay all the moves on the real board. 3-sec, 5-sec, or even 10-sec blitz should be out of the question immediately.

Perhaps having to physically pick up the stones and place them on the real board helps us to be more mindful of each move than just mouse clicks or finger taps.
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EdLee wrote:
also use a real board to play, but (ironically) I thought I'd lose too much time that way.
Set up the time control such that it compensates for the extra time needed to relay all the moves on the real board. 3-sec, 5-sec, or even 10-sec blitz should be out of the question immediately.

Perhaps having to physically pick up the stones and place them on the real board helps us to be more mindful of each move than just mouse clicks or finger taps.
I did just this and it helped a lot. Thanks for the suggestion, this might help me a lot on the long term and might get me to enjoy Online Go again!
Plus I get to use my awesome Floor Table to play games more :)

Only downside (Hikaru can relate) is that I have to place stones for both players :sad: :lol:
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Re: The Story of a Loser - Simultaneous Games!

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Small update: still studying but a bit less because of work-related things. Still, I do Level Up tsumego daily (about 15 minutes), try to play a few games a week with review and additionally read other Go books for inspiration (just re-read Attack & Defense)

Becoming urgent for me are ways to break up to-be-territory and moyo's. Because right now I usually push against them and actually defining them.

A nice plus I had recently is that I played a nice game, where I had to resign after 85 moves because of a broken ladder. But after the review I managed to replay the game from memory, all 85 moves. That's definitely a good sign!

Handicap Go

This is a handicap games against a OGS 7kyu I played a few days ago, but I think I had a handicap stone too much, maybe. Anyway, he resigned after a successfull attack on one of his groups, where I managed to take profit on both sides (kind of) and he didn't get many points out of it.

Definitely not my best game but it's still worth sharing.

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Re: The Story of a Loser - Handicap Go

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Some comments on the fighting. :)

The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
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Visualize whirled peas.

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Re: The Story of a Loser - Handicap Go

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Thank you, Bill. :)


So I am able to keep up with 2-3-4 online games a week, which is good. I also play irl once a week at the least, play Leela & Igowin a few times a week and do tsumego (Level Up) almost daily, with some other reading on the side.

Playing online is better with my floor board in front of me, I don't play blitz anymore. However, it's still not my favorite occupation and I'd probably stop doing it if I couldn't even play live. Although I can't be sure of that. Still, what I do know is that Go is so much pleasure live, while playing online is more practice than actually having a good time. (depends on the game)
I always have to convince myself "okay I'm gonna play online today. Sure? Yeah I guess, it'll be good. Okay" And then sometimes I get excited but like I said, face to face is just... you can't compare it. Let's leave it at that.

Speaking of that. Maybe a fun thing to do is to list my favorite go-things here. Instead of listing the things that are most efficient to studying, list those that I enjoy most, just for the heck of it :cool:

Ian Butler's Go List
1. Playing live games against a patient, stronger player.
2. Playing live games against beginners.
3. Playing live games against equal or slightly worse players.

4. Reading Go books (Lessons in Fundamentals, Attack and Defense, The Art of Sabaki...)
5. Watch Go lessons from e.g. Nick Sibicky
6. Replay Pro Games

7. Play bots like Leela, Igowin.
8. Play online (using my Goban)
9. Do tsumego.

10. Play online (no goban)

Although best of all is to combine everything and not stick to one item :)

I have my reasons for my top 3 being what it is and, yes, some are just plain old ego-problems. But it's also the "thrill of playing my best go, every move counts" against a better player and the "I can teach you something" playing against a beginner :)
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Re: The Story of a Loser - Top 10 Go-Occupations!

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10 days after finishing Level Up 7, I finished Level Up 8. I'll do the test tomorrow, I expect to get at least 50/60, so let's see. I got 60/60 for Level Up 6 and I think 60/60 (or maybe 59 or 58, I forgot) for Level Up 7. I feel I'm getting close to my actual level since I need to check the answer book more often to be sure I'm right.

Good books to learn some essential tesuji and L&D.
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Today I got slaughtered without mercy by a 2-dan and a 7-dan on OGS in 10 second blitz games :D

I also managed to beat down Igowin to him taking 2 handicap stones earlier today, though now I lost a few times and I'm back taking black :sad:
Hopefully I can do the Level Up 7 test later today, too!
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Ian Butler wrote:Today I got slaughtered without mercy by a 2-dan and a 7-dan on OGS in 10 second blitz games :D
As I mentioned in another thread, such games are often full of great material to review from. Maybe you could post one?
Patience, grasshopper.
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daal wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:Today I got slaughtered without mercy by a 2-dan and a 7-dan on OGS in 10 second blitz games :D
As I mentioned in another thread, such games are often full of great material to review from. Maybe you could post one?
Oh yes, I'll post them and I already planned to look into them. Lost likely to see what moves of my opponent got me in trouble so much.
I don't quite have the time now, I'll definitely do it tomorrow! Maybe I'll post two or even all three of them. Though don't judge me by them, against such opponent and a few seconds to move, I don't hold up for 5 moves :D
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Re: The Story of a Loser - Top 10 Go-Occupations!

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Here are the 3 blitz games.
I notice my grip on the game instantly slips as soon as we deal with cuts-crosscuts.





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April Summary
Another month has passed and it's time to see where I stand right now, and what I've done in April to improve my Go playing.

1. Games
I played many games this month. A rough estimate puts me at 25-30 games on a 19x19 against human opponents, an additional 10-15 games against Leela and about 100 games against Igowin on 9x9.
Most of my games ended up being reviewed by myself, members on the site, or my opponent. I like to think I've learned something from each game.

2. Tsumego
Finally found a way to do tsumego, although I'm not sure it's sufficient and I might have to step up my game here. I finished Level Up 6, 7 and 8. I've done GGPB 2 and am currently re-reading it because there's still many mistakes I made.

3. Books
I've read other books but I've spend less time on it then the first few months. I re-read Lessons in Fundamentals, selectively re-read Attack and Defense, and am currently browsing through "All about Thickness" again.

4. Rank/Strength?
In a month's time, my rank on OGS has gone up from 14.4 kyu to about 13 kyu. Noticeable is that the real fast progression is over for now, I believe. I like to think I gained a lot of strength in the past few months, but now it's going much more steadily, but that is only logical, of course. To be honest I'm already very happy to be at the 13-14 kyu level at this point, so I don't want to rush my development.
Things'll go much slower from here on in, and I'll need to put in a lot more work to increase a stone compared to before. Hopefully that won't diminish the motivation.

5. Highlights
My live games with knotwilg. Having found such a strong player nearby, willing to play me every once in a while, has been amazing for my go-playing, I think. The games we played count among me favorite, if only for the circumstances, being able to play a strong player on a real board, both using time to play, reviewing the game afterwards. Beats online go playing any day of the week.

6. Lowest Point
I wish I could tell you studying Go is always a lot of fun but it's actually not. I have to admit that at some points, I find myself wondering: "why am I doing all this?" I got into a losing streak for a while and if you're then reading a Go-book in the evening and you see someone doing some online gaming with friends and having a lot of fun I asked myself "Is this really worth it? Did I stop gaming for this?"
Waking up the next day, I always find myself with the answer "Yes. It's worth it".
But the question returns every once in a while :scratch: :)

For now, I can't start letting my go-studying become something half-half. My efforts have already decreased a bit because I picked up my music again after a long break, so I need to be focused and aware that I keep spending at least 2 hours a day on my Go. I think that's an acceptable amount of time for the time being.
On the other hand, I have to be careful not to let Go take over my life, which I am prone to do at times. Going for a walk with good friends, or playing music with my band, or visiting my little niece, are things you should never pass up on, not even for playing Go :)

7. Trap!
One thing to learn from April that I've come to realize is that I can't fall into one particular trap: expectations.
It's true that I've progressed relatively quickly the first few months (I think so) and some people have also noted that and told me. Others carry it even further and perhaps expect me (or I think they do) to keep that progression rate going.
I have to be very careful about that and push all that aside. Remember that progression will come naturally but also that you probably don't keep improving (unless you keep spending hours and hours a day, which is unlikely in the long term), so who knows, maybe I'll become a strong player. It can be relatively fast, it can take years. Maybe I'll never be a very strong player (what's strong anyway?), maybe I'll hit a "permanent" rank somewhere.
Either way, I'll have to take it as it comes :)


8. May
One last item: what's in store for the month to come?
I am a pro at planning things and then doing something else, so I'll keep it limited and set some realistic goals.

- Keep playing games using a real board (even online) and reviewing these games.
- Keep up my Level Up & GGPB and also do some other tsumego from time to time, pick up the pace.
- Browse through a Go book at least every two days (be it A&D, Opening Theory Made Easy, Art of Settling Stones...)
- Play 100 games against Igowin to improve my L&D and close contact fighting
- Don't play a Go game if I'm not in the right mood (important!)
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Re: The Story of a Loser - Blitz Games & April Summary

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Just started GGPB 3. I've tried it months ago but I wasn't ready then. Now I started out with 12/12 with max a minute per problem. Very happy about this! Even my sense of tesuji seems to be improving :study: ;-)
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