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Gomoto
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Nice joseki candidate

Post by Gomoto »

Nice move discovered during self review with ELF:

It is very strong on many boards.

What is your opinion?
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[go]$$B
$$ --------------------+
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ , . . . . 5 , 3 . . |
$$ . . . . . . 4 2 . . |
$$ . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
It appeares only once in my pro database:
Yata Naoki 9p - Kubo Katsuaki 9p, B+4.5 (Komi 6.5)
42nd Japanese Tengen, preliminary, 2015-10-07

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Nice joseki candidate

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Re: Nice joseki candidate

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The old ways are the best :D

A move to remember.
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Re: Nice joseki candidate

Post by Calvin Clark »

Gomoto wrote:Nice move discovered during self review with ELF:

It is very strong on many boards.

What is your opinion?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ --------------------+
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ , . . . . 5 , 3 . . |
$$ . . . . . . 4 2 . . |
$$ . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
It forstalls :b7: which was common for black when :w6: was popular. AlphaGo wasn't much into defending the :w2: :w4: group and often left it dangling, whereas the human idea was that it's heavy and needed a "base", hence :w6:. So this is not so surprising now. That doesn't mean I think I can play :wc: in your diagram and handle it well, but it's interesting.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ --------------------+
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ , . . . . 5 , 3 . . |
$$ . . . . . 7 4 2 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
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Re: Nice joseki candidate

Post by ez4u »

So you mean like this one played by Ito Matsujiro 6d in a game against Yasui Sanchi IX 7d played in 1839?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . O . . , X X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . O . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Nice joseki candidate

Post by baduk »

in humangames the knights move is only used in special cases like the examples you mentioned,still couldnt find the move in the early openening anywhere.
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