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Post #21 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:50 am 
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I don't get why Ilya is invited to the amateur category. For sure the competition level might suit him more, but he's no longer an amateur!

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Post #22 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:29 am 
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Maybe it's really called "not pros of Asian go federations" category (or should be). Seeing how Bai etc are professional amateurs (as in playing go and winning amateur events prize money is their job, and they are strong enough to pass the pro test but just chose not to as top dog of amateur circuit is a nicer life than bottom dog of the pro circuit) I think it's reasonable.

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Post #23 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:26 pm 
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Following along with Lizzie, the 2 Japanese players have made a good start. Shibano played a new variation in this modern bot joseki:



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Post #24 Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:26 am 
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Results:
- Ke Jie beat Byun Sangil by resign. According to the bot on Fox (FineArt?) and Leela Zero he made a few direction mistakes in early middlegame fighting which Byun capitalised on, but he won in the end.
- Gu Zihao beay Iyama Yuta by resign. Iyama seemed to be doing well but maybe he was too greedy when Gu was making sabaki inside his moyo and it ended up a ko so Gu got nice compensation.
- Chen Yaoye beat Shibano Toramaru by resign. I guess Shibano studied the first joseki, but Chen pulled ahead in later fighting. I recommend studying this with LZ, interesting lessons in efficiency in close-quarter fighting on left side.
- Shin Jinseo beat Dang Yifei by resign

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Post #25 Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:10 am 
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Interesting meta-point that it seems as if Iyama will play three games in three days, traveling from China to Japan then back to China, with the second game being do or die for keeping his septuple crown. https://gotoeveryone.k2ss.info/jp/gosei/


The challenger Kyo Kagen also plays in this tournament (eliminated today by Dang Yifei) so is it possible that they reschedule the Gosei game?

It seems it was rescheduled to August 3rd according to the Nihon Kiin website.

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Post #26 Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:53 am 
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Interesting meta-point that it seems as if Iyama will play three games in three days, traveling from China to Japan then back to China, with the second game being do or die for keeping his septuple crown. https://gotoeveryone.k2ss.info/jp/gosei/


The challenger Kyo Kagen also plays in this tournament (eliminated today by Dang Yifei) so is it possible that they reschedule the Gosei game?

It seems it was rescheduled to August 3rd according to the Nihon Kiin website.


When was the last time a Japanese big seven title match was rescheduled?

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Post #27 Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:22 am 
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Pairing for Semi-Final(Possibly 1/19),

Shin Jinseo vs Gu Zihao
Chen Yaoye vs Ke Jie

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Post #28 Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:58 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
So take gote for a seki or ko, probabaly the g17 stones not being alive is valuable. And no c11 peep

Isn't white corner dead? Did LZ misjudge the double ko or is it still better than actual game variation (infinite ko threat)?

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Post #29 Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:48 pm 
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When was the last time a Japanese big seven title match was rescheduled?
I don't know. When it was first floated, I remembered John saying that the newspaper sponsors were rather protective of their tournaments. I'm pleasantly surprised it was rescheduled.

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Post #30 Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:08 am 
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Elf review from baduk1 of Iyama vs Gu, Elf indeed says b10 was too greedy and should c6 compromise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVJPlUT9y-A

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Post #31 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:47 am 
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Pairing for Semi-Final(Possibly 1/19),

Shin Jinseo vs Gu Zihao
Chen Yaoye vs Ke Jie


Looks like the Chinese are dominant again, with Shin Jinseo the only Korean representative.

I thought Shibano Toramaru had a promising performance.

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Post #32 Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:15 am 
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The semi-finals were today, Ke and Shin won.

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Post #33 Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:11 am 
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In the Shin vs. Gu game, I found the upper right hand corner extremely interesting. None of the moves seem particularly mysterious, but it seems like there's a very subtle balance between corner and side territory.
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I myself have no hope when I see the Chinese name of a player who I've known via reading the English transliteration of the Japanese version of their name (I hope that sentence makes sense, but I'm no linguist).
Off-topic, but I would like to apologize to everyone who had to read this sentence. It was truly awful, wasn't it?

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Post #34 Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:05 am 
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Yes, fighting around that corner was the turning point of the game. Gu had been leading for a while but Shin took a decisive lead when he managed to keep the corner and wore was still weak on the outside. LZ says he needed to work harder to make a double threat out of the bad aji Shin left with not cleanly making the centre cut.

So Shin Jinseo gets into another international final and a chance to prove himself on the big stage. He lost to Chen Yaoye in the Tainfu, Ke Jie is a tougher test.

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Post #35 Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:38 pm 
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Final is live now. Same opening as Ke-Chen game but Shin started tough fighting already and Ke accepted.

Update: Ke Jie won by resign. Shin was leading for most of the game but made a slight inaccuracy in late middle-game and Ke Jie didn't miss his chance. I don't know if the final is still best of n>1 with the shrinking of this tournament.

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Post #36 Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:26 am 
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It’s the best of three, and Ke Jie will be holding white next.

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Post #37 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:36 am 
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Ke Jie just won by resignation to win the 4th Bailing cup.
Shin Jinseo started with a diagonal fuseki surprisingly, but unfortunately made a mistake in the early fighting and Ke Jie kept the lead for the rest of the game. Shin's drought continues!

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Post #38 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:52 am 
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Finishing 2d is not THAT bad :)

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Post #39 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:57 am 
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Ke Jie 's 7th international title (21 years 168 days old), beating Lee Changho's record (22 years 288 days).

Yoda Norimoto beat Ma Xiaochun to win the veteran's group.

Wang Chen bean Bai Baoxiang to win the amateur's group.

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Post #40 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:23 am 
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Finishing 2d is not THAT bad :)


Read my mind ;-).

Still hope he wins one day.

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