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Re: New project for youth in Europe

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It would be interesting if the some of children participating in the grand prix could also write articles in the youth yearbook.


Ø establish a point system

Ø establish the number of places that receive prizes (we propose 10 for each age group) 


Maybe something such as, 

For any tournament:
1 point for showing up;
1 point for every game played;
Another 1 point if they happen to win the game
For children's events, multiply the points by four.

Maybe you could give prizes to those scoring over a certain number of points. And maybe those who are not able to travel to tournaments often may be helped in creating children's tournaments in their local area. The incentive to create tournaments could increase the number of events in the long run.

If the cost of prizes for lots of kids is an issue, do you think that a type of 'Hall of Fame' would help? Those scoring a certain number of wins could have their name etched onto a plaque.

o beginner corner etc.

Ø collect cool ideas for improving tournament quality

o English system of colored badges etc. 


What if all beginner stands had packs of 30 kyu badges to hand out to anyone who tried out the game? I suspect that it may help some first-timers already feel part of the go community, and they can remember go by something they've achieved as well as by promotional material. Companies are always promoting to the public, and I suspect people may have a dismissive attitude if promotion isn't combined with something tangible. As well many children, I'm sure some adults share a want for reward with minimal investment!

Ø establish best tournament format (the proposed one is U12-16-20 plus a beginner tournament), also the playing system (expert referees’ opinion required)

o simul games between advanced children and beginners,

Ø discuss possibility to add a 20-25 age group to the Grand Prix


I'll note that my use of U24 here could be U25 or U26 or anything the team decides.

How about creating six focus areas of youth development: U4(mainly promoting go to parents who may teach it to their toddlers), U8(mainly making sure all material for beginners are created with 4, 5, 6 and 7 year olds in mind), U12, U16, U20 and U24, and then using the framework to create targeted solutions for problems in each age group. For example, if girls are leaving go around 14, then a strategy for it could be implemented specifically for 12-15 year olds (U16).

With this in mind, one way of organising a youth tournament:

First, leave the first day for  fun activities  (in addition to boring speeches); get everyone settled down whether they are into go or not before the games begin. .t seems logical at this stage of youth development to put aspects that will motivate the most kids, such as making friends and doing fun activities, as first priority.

day 1: Speeches and activities

Second, the second and third days would be to further settle people in for the main tournament and prepare the go-motivated players for the main tournament, all the while creating an alternative tie-breaking method that might be better than SOS. For this, I propose a two-day rapid play tournament with 15x15 seconds per move. The time limits would prepare players for the GLOBIS CUP.

It will be split into U12, U16, U20 and U24 with winners from each group. During this, the beginners tournament may held on the first day and a pair go tournament on the second day.

day 2: Rapid-play rounds 1-5, Beginner Tournament(U8 focus) with an alternative Zen go event
day 3: Rapid-play rounds 6-10, Parents with Children Pair Go Tournament (U4 focus) with an alternative handicap go event

Third, combine all of the players in the rapid event into one big main tournament with long time settings in the largest hall in the building, relay the games online and provide live large-board commentary for parents that will inspire them and let the feel involved. This will take place over the remaining days of the event.

The main tournament can be a McMahon, where each child's initial score is equal to the number of games won in the rapid tournament plus additional points according to the age bracket they compete in. The age bracket bonus points could be as follows:

U24, +7

U20, +5

U16, +3

U12, +1

I believe this may let children have both the experience of playing others the same age, and playing those quite different in age but similar in level.

I think normal practice is for the winners of each age bracket to be the highest placed in the main tournament of those eligible. Also, the results of the rapid play tournament can be used as the first tie-breaker, then who won in matches against each other, then who won against each other in the rapid play, all before SOS and SOSOS.

Point Zero— hold it with the European Women Go Championship to help increase the sparse numbers in the top women's event.

I may have more ideas when I've read and thought on everything in detail. Of course I don't really know anything about organising tournaments but maybe some of the suggestions here prove a plus.
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Re: New project for youth in Europe

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From what I've read here, it looks like there are three main ways to grow: 1-in strength 2-in numbers, and 3-in quality and infrastructure.

I may be poking my nose in a bit here, but does the EGF have any goals for youth growth? 'By 2028, we want X strength, X numbers and X quality and infrastrucure'.
I thought if people differ in their main motivations for playing go, then maybe they can be separated into types, so thought of some rough generalisations.

Type D: Go is curiosity to Dabble in
Type C: Go is a pastime played for fun and friend, and for a few its benefits. A type-C motivated player usually make short-term strength goals.
Type B: Go is a hoBby, and you could say type-B motivated players are cluB players. Usually makes medium-term improvement goals.
Type A: Go is an Art. These are often advanced players, like go Athletes, and they usually make long-term improvement goals.
Type P: Go is a Pursuit, in that they may teach it or play it as a Pro. Go exPerts.

Local: Type D and C
Regional: Type D, C and B
National: Type D, C, B and A
Continental: Type D, C, B, A and P
International: Type D, C, B, A, P and those who may want to compete with Asian pros :)

Without youth events at all levels, the chain is broken and kids leave, especially those in type D and C :sad:
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Re: New project for youth in Europe

Post by Catalin Taranu »

Hello,

We have been quiet for a while. Nevertheless work continued in the back ground.
We have received a proposal for the tournament system, i will attach it here.
Also i wrote some outline of the project.

Everything is still in draft stage, brainstorming still continues for a while.

My personal deadline is to put all data together by the middle of November and have a coherent and convincing project written.

Next step will be approaching sponsors.

Have a nice day everyone,

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Re: New project for youth in Europe

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Ambitious project!

The paragraph "Tie-Breaking" with a 1x1 board is funny (I did read the footnote with the explanation that it is equivalent to drawing lots).
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Re: New project for youth in Europe

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Hello!
I would like to share one of the most wanted perspectives – youth's.
First of all, I have to say that EGF Academy Camp in Vatra Dornei changed my whole perspective on the game of go, from then my approach to the game and society is totally different, it taught me more than words can say.
Of course, this was not only about the game.
There is a huge difference between studying alone and in a group. It feels better when you are not alone in a foreign country, when you know your peers. Big advantage of that event was to overcome the fear of expressing, or timidness. My point here is very simple: the atmosphere. That is what motivates teens to gather at tournamets, camps etc.
Youth includes people aged from 6 to 25 years. Surely a 10-year-old kiddo's vision differs from a 22-year-old student's one. That's why we should look into each category and see what we can get out of it.
We are not 9 years old and probably we forgot what exactly motivates kids and keeps them in this activity. I teach and I am in touch with many kids aged 7-20, and I myself am 17, so I will write our opinion in the following way. I asked them some questions which are presented below, with the most often answers.
1. What motivates you to play on tournaments?
Group 7-10 y. o. (13 kids – 10-20kyu) - A

Unsuprisingly, most of the kids are motivated to go to tournaments to hang out with the others and because they like the game as such. Then there comes improving because they „meet and watch stronger players“ (it seems like they really respect and look up to them). The third reason is traveling.

What do these facts mean to us?
First of all, if there is someone trying to popularize go among young kids, always tell the interested one to take his friends the next time. It's more likely for them to stay interested in the game if they are together.
I found it interesting how they were very impressed by stronger and a bit older kids. This only means that we should organize some events which includes both, strong and weak. I will explain this in detail in the last answer.
The last reason only confirms that the kids already like the idea of Saijo Cup!

Group 13-19 (10kyu-1dan) - B
Improvement and meeting friends.

2. Do your parents support you?
Both groups
I've seen some concerns about this question here. So I wanted to see what's the situation here in Croatia, at least.
I found out that there are 2 out of 17 parents who don't know what go is. The others know and sometimes play with their kids. All of them support their children and would let them go to international tournaments with their coach. At least 5 are willing to drive to tournaments, if necessary.

3. How much does the prize matter for you (1-10)?
I was hoping to see some correlation with age but this came out as a very subjective question.
Most of the youngsters would really like to get a prize, or at least to go to the stage.
This is for sure a very important part of the tournament. I think that the following prizes are required: The youngest player, Players with all and all-1 wins, The best single and double digit kyu player, The best girl, The best 20kyu, Player with 0 wins. It is enough to give them a wooden medal, some sweets, or at least a diploma. The important thing is that they are invited to the stage.

4. What did you/didn't you like at the EYGC in Kiev?

This was the first EYGC that even 8 kids from Croatia played at. :cool:

Group A
I got a feedback that they wanted to play more games and really liked to watch stronger players.
Group B
They liked the atmosphere and movies broadcasting. They missed lectures and this leads us to the last question.

5. What's the most interesting side event you can think of?
Group A

Go included
Kids are mostly up to free games. Supposing they don't speak English very well, they'd probably prefer playing more games with the kids their strenght to pro lectures or analysis. Some of them would like tsumego competition, and the minority simul games.

According to this, the first thing we should enable are the boards and stones in the place where they could play non-tournament games. To prevent the chaos, discipline could be set by making a Marathon tournament, or a tournament on 13x13. I propose this event for this age group during the whole tournament (in case it is the Marathon one) or on the 2nd day evening.
What they did in Oberhof with a tsumego sheet at the opening ceremony was a great idea! According to the kids' strength, we can bring some sheets and tell them to solve it until Saturday evening and then give some prizes for that also.

Non-go activities
We should remember that kids like to run and are kind of hyped all the time. This is only regarding the venue, we should choose it bearing this in mind (possibly a place with a park nearby, not near the nursing home or so).

Group B
Since older kids speak English, they are looking forward to pro lectures the most. They would also like to play Blitz.
If the tournament lasts for 3 days, I guess Saturday evening is the best time to organise such an event, probably in 2 or 3 groups.

There are also some ideas about combining stronger and weaker players:
1) Stronger players play a simul against weaker ones, all at once.
2) Mashed Pair Go – The difference between ranks in a pair is more or equal to 12.

If you are interested in any of above, I would like to be the organizer.
For Vatra Dornei, I can prepare tsumego if necessary.

I am looking forward to all the events and if you need any kind of non-proffesional help, I'm here!
Best regards to all!

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Re: New project for youth in Europe

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Amazing feedback, Mirta, me very happy:)
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Re: New project for youth in Europe

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Marcel Grünauer wrote:I see that there is a youth tournament planned in Vienna as well. Since I live there, I might be able to help.


Hi Marcel, this is great. Viktor Lin and Li Ting are both in the international team of organizers and you will surely work with them.
You can choose to limit yourself at the local effort , or join the bigger team. By now i think i can define the philosophy behind this international team pretty well:
- Anyone who likes the goal of the project is free to join, just write me a mail and i will add you to the mailing list
- There is no obligation, people support the project activities when they have the time and their skills match the required ability to do a certain thing that is needed. I consider myself the only one responsible to work constantly on the project, for at least three years from now
- As part of the team you will receive regular info about the progress or regress of the project. When something is needed i will call out to the team. You don't need to answer my mails if you
don't want to, you can join the discussions at any point you like, you can add new proposals, initiatives at any point.
- At a later, more advanced stage, i hope to find the resources to pay people for some specific jobs ( like website update and maintenance) . For now this is the only way i can think of that has a chance to work.

You can basically view this team as a communication network that keeps the information moving, so that volunteers can step in when it's needed.

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Re: New project for youth in Europe

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Goal : Promote Go to the Youth (i.e. Build a coherent set of Youth events at European level)

Strengths (EGF)
S1: Small pool of young talents from different countries already existing
S2: EGF Academy platform, online "insei-like system"
S3: Friendships are built upon the same passion (an healthy one)
S4: Go can be linked with "learning to know yourself", strategy, thinking, mental empowerment, life, etc.
S5: Strong ties with Asian countries and their federations

Weaknesses (EGF)
W1: Lack of consistent U18 local / national tournaments with prizes
W2: Lack of proper Youth Go Clubs (dedicated to young people), most environments are adult-friendly
W3: Parents often do not know what Go is
W4: Starting Go can be a mystery, dedication is needed
W5: Lot of kids are now used to smartphone, no-effort entertainment

Opportunities
O1: Parents are conscious of the "smartphone problem", and are looking for healthy activities
O2: European-level financial support program for Youth
O3: "Hikaru No Go" manga
O4: Build a strong public image of Go benefits: use your brain, learn to control your emotions, strategy
O5: Kids having problem to focus
O6: Kids like to compete and win medals
O7: Kids are social beings
O8: Parents could look to bond with their kids, and could be taught the basic by pros at events (when they bring their kid)

Threats
T1: Non-persistence of an initiative (e.g. club close 1 year later after opening)
T2: Lack of motivation or time by people working in the initiatives
T3: Kids try it but are not motivated to pursue on the long-term
T4: Parents do not help their kids going to club/tournament
T5: Not enough kids to have a positive loop effect
T6: Inadequate teacher/organizer

First draft, if you have other ideas...
Next time: need to think on the relations
Using this strength, we can work on this opportunity
Using this strength, we can mitigate this threat
This opportunity can help on this weakness
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Re: New project for youth in Europe

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Dear all,

The document that outlines the SEYGO tour project has a decent shape and contents already. While still in a draft stage we feel we are close to what we wanted.
I have attached the doc in this message.

Happy Holidays!

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Re: New project for youth in Europe

Post by silviu22 »

Looks like SEYGO made it to the UGF page. Congratulations, Catalin. Your hard work is paying off.

As a general observation, it seems the Russians are most active in terms of children't tournaments. This means they might come to dominate European GO in the same way they used to dominate chess. I look forward to watching the evolution of SEYGO
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Re: New project for youth in Europe

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The webpage of the Saijo European Youth GO Tour project is the part of the European Go Federation website:

https://www.eurogofed.org/seygo/
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