Shin Jinseo

[Bill Spight]

Another record for Shin Jinseo: 3693 on July 13, 2019

But it is quite strange that Ke Jie (3675) and Park Junghwan (3672) seem to have reached personal records as well.

The average rating of players ranked 4-10 is 3576. I will keep an eye on this average to see if there is some kind of inflation going on.

If there is really inflation going on, it should show up in the average for the top 100 players.

[jlt]

From archive.org, the 100th player's rating was:

13 July 2019: Murakawa Daisuke (3335)
14 June 2018: Chen Xian (3326)
10 June 2017: Shibano Toramaru (3311)
13 July 2016: Ichiriki Ryo (3299)

If there is any inflation, it is very limited.

[WindCaliber]

Shin Jinseo just won his 18th game in a row, against Yang Dingxin in the Chinese A League, meaning he hasn't lost a game in over 2 months. Pretty spectacular—he seems unbeatable right now.

[trout]

Actually, Shin Jinseo won 21 games in a row. In Chinese league, he recorded 7 wins and 1 loss.
Kim Jiseok achieved his 800th wins.


Shin's first game agains Yang Dingxin in January 2013. He lost the game and cried.

[silviu22]

After this last win in vs Jang Dingxin 9p (#8 - 3569), Shin Jinseo's rank is at a new record: 3699. It would be nice if Shin could get another win and break 3700.

[trout]

After this last win in vs Jang Dingxin 9p (#8 - 3569), Shin Jinseo's rank is at a new record: 3699. It would be nice if Shin could get another win and break 3700.

Shin just won another game in Chinese league and reached 3700 as you wish.

[silviu22]

Shin just won another game in Chinese league and reached 3700 as you wish.

Nice! Looks like he had another win in the Chinese league as well.
But now I see his rating was increased to 3700 retroactively back to June 23, 2019. 3700 is a new record as far as I know.

[Uberdude]

Shin's winning form continues, with a win over Shi yue in the Chinese league. He was behind in the opening and early middlegame, but made a moyo and when Shi reduced it poorly seized his chance and then closed out the win.

[TheCannyOnion]

So what international majors has Shin won so far?

[Joaz Banbeck]

So when do we get to see Shin compete for a major title like MLilly or Ing or similar?
Is he slated to be in one soon? ( I don't know the entry/admission procedures for them )

[AloneAgainstAll]

He won asian tv cup(2019 edition), and Globis Cup (2017 edition).

From probability point of view, if we have 16 players knockout tournament with 1 game matches, if field is equally strong (lets assume same probability of win with either colour), chance of win is only 6,25%. If one of player is sligtly better (60% chance of win against others), his chances of winning tournament rise only to 12,96% (he would win one of about 8 tournaments like that). If he would be pretty dominant (80%), his chances rise to about 41%.

Difference in top group of go players are rather small. Its not like Kasparov was 2800 elo, about 100 elo above rest of top 10, and he was winning almost all tournaments he played in his prime.

Its all because of formats of current go tournaments. Let them play 5 games matches instead of 1, and you will not see almost anybody except top 7 winning tournament.

[ewan1971]

He won asian tv cup(2019 edition), and GC Caltex Cup(2018 edition).

From probability point of view, if we have 16 players knockout tournament with 1 game matches, if field is equally strong (lets assume same probability of win with either colour), chance of win is only 6,25%. If one of player is sligtly better (60% chance of win against others), his chances of winning tournament rise only to 12,96% (he would win one of about 8 tournaments like that). If he would be pretty dominant (80%), his chances rise to about 41%.

Difference in top group of go players are rather small. Its not like Kasparov was 2800 elo, about 100 elo above rest of top 10, and he was winning almost all tournaments he played in his prime.

Its all because of formats of current go tournaments. Let them play 5 games matches instead of 1, and you will not see almost anybody except top 7 winning tournament.

From probability point of view, for someone who's constantly achieving record Elo ratings, Shin should have won a few more international majors than he actually has, which is precisely zero.

He needs to start winning a few soon. Elo numbers are nice, really nice, but...

Maybe he needs a new haircut. He's still sporting the same bowl cut as he did when he was a little boy. A new adult hair style might just be the lucky change he needs.

P.S. Asian TV Cup and Globis Cup are not international majors.

[AloneAgainstAll]

From probability point of view, for someone who's constantly achieving record Elo ratings, Shin should have won a few more international majors than he actually has, which is precisely zero.

He needs to start winning a few soon. Elo numbers are nice, really nice, but...

P.S. Asian TV Cup and Globis Cup are not international majors.

Thats false (probability part), and i already proved it, but you deny it not backing up it with ANY facts.

First, he is not constantly achieving record elo rating, but he overthrown Ke Jie/Park Junghwan recently.
Second, his 3700 rating against opposition about 3550 gives him sth like 55%-60%, way not enough to constantly win tournaments. Even 80% edge, as i proved does not even give 50% to win 16 player tournament, and when you have more steps, probability shut downs.

Maybe asian tv cup is not major, but it didnt change probabilities. Its just time, in 5 years, if he keep 1st rank spot, i am pretty sure he will have some majors. Btw who decide which international tournament is major or not?

[Uberdude]

Shin has a very high rating because goratings assigns equal weight to all games, whereas in terms of prestige we assign more to final rounds of international tournaments. He's very good at consistently beating the world's top 50-5 players in low-to-moderate stakes games like the Korean and Chinese leagues, but has a less good record against the very top players and to-date has tended to bottle it on the biggest stages where a top 5 player with more experience than him will often be a 'final boss'. He did make the finals of 2 majors recently but lost 1-2 to Chen Yaoye (below top 5 but experience won) in the 1st Tianfu cup final in December 2018 and 0-2 to Ke Jie in the 4th Bailing cup final in January 2019. Park Junghwan had similar things said about him too some years ago as he won a bunch of domestic tournaments and was high on rating lists before he won his first international tournament a few years later. He's done ok since (4 titles now to Ke Jie's 7). I read in an interview Shin wanted to win an international major before he turns 20, which is March next year (Western age). Not sure if he can manage that with the schedule, but I expect he'll get one eventually. He's in the last 8 of this year's LG cup.

As for Asian TV up, it counts as half a major to me, and the Chinese pro association thought it worthy on winning to cause immediate promotion to 9p for Li Qincheng.

[floating]

While he seems to be at the center of attention in the go world right now, is it possible to see in advance his schedule of upcoming matches on some website, or can someone post here that info if they know? Sometimes it could add a bit extra motivation to review his new game records if can anticipate/preview the coming matches a bit in advance