Please rate: Tesuji or a fluke?

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Please rate: Tesuji or a fluke?

Post by negapesuo »

I just had an exciting win, and my first ever double ko (I think).

I wanted to know if this was an actual viable move that I found, or my opponent just made a mistake. Fine Arts seems to think it was a fluke, but I'm not sure how it is at recognizing groups alive through double ko.

I am talking about B69. Let me know if you think it is a tesuji, or a stupid move. Any general review/comments are also appreciated.

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Re: Please rate: Tesuji or a fluke?

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You did well to get the vital point. :clap:

But what happens if he gets there first?
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The hane at move 67 seems overly ambitious. I would have extended safely, then played the nose tesuji.
( I'm not saying that it works, I'm just saying that I would have played it)
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Speaking of vital points...move 65 could have been this:
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Re: Please rate: Tesuji or a fluke?

Post by Leon »

That hane is a known weakness in the white position. If white answers the C5 cut with D5, it becomes a Ko.
In this case, the white position was a bit stronger than usual and Black is a bit weak in the corner. In this psoition, you would want to be able to block at B2 instead of B6. Sneaking in a F7-G7 exchange would make the B2 block possible and capture the black stones cleanly (i think. In that case, your original hane move at B4 would have been a powerful tesuji.
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Re: Please rate: Tesuji or a fluke?

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Joaz Banbeck wrote:...
Speaking of vital points...move 65 could have been this:
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In practice, it would probably be like this:
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