67. Loons (3k) vs. Shaddy(1d)

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:25 pm

Let fire rain from above!

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:28 pm

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Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:30 pm

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:33 pm

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Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:33 pm

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:37 pm

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I'm gonna slow down for more thought after this.

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:38 pm

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:48 pm

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Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:49 pm

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:06 am

Do let me know what you think of and/or want from my thoughts, folks...

Okay, time for some more serious talkin'. I'm going to start very basic, with some of the simple fuseki decisions for beginners, then I'll hopefully get into some more meaty stuff discussing the first joseki choice.

I know you may've heard this stuff before umpteen times in other Malkovich games, but I also know there are still beginners around here who need to be reminded of these things.

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Black elected to play Go Seigen's Sanrensei (I believe his comment that one of the stars should be the ladder breaking Tengen is well known). Because Tengen is often useful in reducing frameworks, I am playing a territorial game to limit its effectiveness (very standard idea).

After black 5, the top left is the only "unfinished" corner - corners where an enclosure (and thus also an approach preventing an enclosure) are very high value. Thus white 6 must address the top left. I chose a large knights move shimari, which, though territorial, is a slightly less solid but faster developing choice to counterpoint my 3-3 stone, which is very solid but has little developmental potential.

Next, black 7 is the biggest (almost compulsory) fuseki point. It is the natural extension of both my enclosure (which I have invested two stones in) and his hoshi, a sideways focused stone (who's other side is shared with an apathetic 3-3). Black 7 is a very good move, but I am compensated somewhat by getting the first corner approach.

Eight and nine are both very natural moves - I approach the bottom left, because another black move there would create a very powerful position for him (a shimari with an ideal extension or maybe a double-wing formation). After 8, black's pincer stops white settling easily, considering that the normal 3-3 invasion joseki result will likely be too good for black with D10 already in place.

Which brings us to part II; joseki choice. (I'll post it in a while...)

Part II:

The Joseki

I'm actually an avid sanrensei player, so white approaching with the black D10 stone already present is a situation I'm pretty comfortable with. The situation in the two orthagonal corners and tengen is novel, though, so this will bear some thinking. Gonna throw a couple of ideas out there for starters:

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This joseki I believe is better for black (normally black now sacrifices 10 to wall white in). If the joseki is played normally, there is often a good endgame followup for white in this area, but we'll cross that bridge if we come to it. Despite my earlier hesitation to let black have the wall from the 3-3 invasion, I'm leaning towards this now.

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This sort of path, white probably gets nothing and must fight for it, but it can hack away at what black gets too. I have a territorial lead, so I'm considering it. I worry that Tengen may help black's attack however. Hmmm. Also, black can generate a lot of influence from the bottom right joseki, and get something really big happening. It looks like I have to be careful about borrowing strength from H3. I don't think this is a great choice.

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I'm often told off in reviews for avoiding this joseki when it's the right choice, and I'm not sure if tengen makes it a bad choice or an interesting one. Here the 3-3 invasion is still open, the F10 cap or C8 invasion or something is possibly becoming interesting, and white might be able to do something interesting on the right side. I think black can aim at complications earlier, but hey, complications are interesting.

I'm going to go for choice #3, as it seems to leave more vulnerabilities in black's bottom left I can use to erode his points, and, by my current reading, I can get something dynamic happening with this joseki and my 3-3 if I keep pushing.

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Just out of interest, Shaddy and I've actually played quite a few games evenly, in the ASR league and so forth (with predictable results

). I feel all these even games with stronger players has boosted my standard of play quite a lot; also they're better to review, as my opponent makes less mistakes (than against someone my own rank for example)

cdybeijing · Post by **cdybeijing** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:56 am

Not for players.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:40 am

cdybeijing wrote:Not for players.
Isn't the joseki white intends to play only good if white has some support in the center? Since he forgoes making a base for his group, this looks like it could lead to a poor result.

Anyone care to comment?

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:42 am

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:48 pm

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Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:44 pm

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