Highly doubtful.suspect that he made it close on purpose
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I agree with Ed. Don't sell yourself short.EdLee wrote:Highly doubtful.suspect that he made it close on purpose
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Thanks, guys.
One thing that didn't help was that I thought that I had killed the top left, but didn't realize the implications of his potential to connect to the top. It would have been better for me if that group were dead
One thing that didn't help was that I thought that I had killed the top left, but didn't realize the implications of his potential to connect to the top. It would have been better for me if that group were dead
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal
"It repenteth me that you still live." —Le Morte D'ArthurKirby wrote:It would have been better for me if that group were dead
The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal
I've heard of O Meien, but I don't know how his go is characterized. Based on that move, maybe he makes shapes in the center?mhlepore wrote:After move 46 (O11), it reminded me of an O Meien game.
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Another AYD game, another loss - will be hard to stay in this group, if I keep this up:
Overall, I feel I played more calm than usual, so I am happy about that. I think a big mistake was giving up the 4 stones in the center - kind of big early endgame mistake, so I think I had a chance before that...
Seems clear that this: Should be this: Maybe I should do that even earlier... I didn't have much time, and somehow I thought I could save everything... But alas, not enough liberties...
It's somewhat fascinating to me, because in this type of game, I feel like I don't do anything, and I feel like I'm kind of losing out. But then when I count the points, it seems somewhat close. I'm not used to this type of game, and it's at least interesting that this may be another way to win at go.
Overall, I feel I played more calm than usual, so I am happy about that. I think a big mistake was giving up the 4 stones in the center - kind of big early endgame mistake, so I think I had a chance before that...
Seems clear that this: Should be this: Maybe I should do that even earlier... I didn't have much time, and somehow I thought I could save everything... But alas, not enough liberties...
It's somewhat fascinating to me, because in this type of game, I feel like I don't do anything, and I feel like I'm kind of losing out. But then when I count the points, it seems somewhat close. I'm not used to this type of game, and it's at least interesting that this may be another way to win at go.
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So I just had review with Inseong. Though I thought that I was calm this game, he says I still don't get it. Here are some examples of moves that were not calm, from his perspective:
Above, he thinks it'd be calmer to just go like this: He said the point is to not try to "do something". Just setup a position and let the opponent do something. Then attack.
I already knew this one was a mistake: He asked me, "Who said you will lose the game if you just answer?"
The one that really surprised me was this one: In the game, I remember thinking, "Yes, this is a calm move. Not much risk, just reducing black's potential."
But Inseong said, why not just this? I'm worried that black goes here: But he said that it's not a big deal - I can just walk in: It's hard for me to comprehend this one right now, to be honest. Black's potential here seems significant, and by defending, I get what? 10 points? I get his point that it'd be more passive to just take the points... Really hard for me to think that way here, though. I can see it in the other cases.
Finally, there was the stuff here: Inseong said that I'm trying to "start something", when really, I just need to be calm and finish the game: OK, yeah. I tried to start something, so I can see that one...
I guess I thought that I got the concept of being calm, but I don't quite get it yet. I'll have to contemplate this review for awhile...
Above, he thinks it'd be calmer to just go like this: He said the point is to not try to "do something". Just setup a position and let the opponent do something. Then attack.
I already knew this one was a mistake: He asked me, "Who said you will lose the game if you just answer?"
The one that really surprised me was this one: In the game, I remember thinking, "Yes, this is a calm move. Not much risk, just reducing black's potential."
But Inseong said, why not just this? I'm worried that black goes here: But he said that it's not a big deal - I can just walk in: It's hard for me to comprehend this one right now, to be honest. Black's potential here seems significant, and by defending, I get what? 10 points? I get his point that it'd be more passive to just take the points... Really hard for me to think that way here, though. I can see it in the other cases.
Finally, there was the stuff here: Inseong said that I'm trying to "start something", when really, I just need to be calm and finish the game: OK, yeah. I tried to start something, so I can see that one...
I guess I thought that I got the concept of being calm, but I don't quite get it yet. I'll have to contemplate this review for awhile...
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Some comments on the early play.
You can’t call this a mistake, but occupying the last open corner is almost always the dominant strategy.
AlphaGoTeach agrees.
Cedes the initiative to Black. Maybe a mistake. Better to approach the bottom left corner.
Black fell into White’s trap.
Atari at G-17 first, connect here after Black extends. That leaves Black divided and weak. This way Black can sacrifice the single stone and maybe use it for aji.
Bad shape, admitting defeat. At least locally.
Huh? Not on my radar. Desperation? If you are going to invade, surely there are better places.
Gives White an easy time of it.
Don’t contact the stone you are attacking.
How about the hane?
Surely the block is better.
Anything wrong with extending on the 3d line?
Followitis.
Aji keshi, gratuitously strengthening Black.
Anything wrong with extending on the 3d line?
The capture yields easy life.
A play you just hate to make. White has played at least one extra stone here.
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Desperate measures. Well, why not?
You can’t call this a mistake, but occupying the last open corner is almost always the dominant strategy. AlphaGoTeach agrees. Cedes the initiative to Black. Maybe a mistake. Better to approach the bottom left corner. Black fell into White’s trap. Atari at G-17 first, connect here after Black extends. That leaves Black divided and weak. This way Black can sacrifice the single stone and maybe use it for aji. Bad shape, admitting defeat. At least locally. Huh? Not on my radar. Desperation? If you are going to invade, surely there are better places. Gives White an easy time of it. Don’t contact the stone you are attacking. How about the hane? Surely the block is better. Anything wrong with extending on the 3d line? Followitis. Aji keshi, gratuitously strengthening Black. Anything wrong with extending on the 3d line? The capture yields easy life. A play you just hate to make. White has played at least one extra stone here. , Desperate measures. Well, why not?The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
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Visualize whirled peas.
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Yes I don't know how to characterize his play other than to say it can be center oriented and it is unorthodox. But as it relates to your simul game, I feel he likes one or two-space diagonal jumps that loosely wall off the center.Kirby wrote:I've heard of O Meien, but I don't know how his go is characterized. Based on that move, maybe he makes shapes in the center?mhlepore wrote:After move 46 (O11), it reminded me of an O Meien game.
Below are a few games that have this attribute:
http://go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/33806
http://go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/25269
He's also known for a famous ladder misread in a title match:
http://go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/2211
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal
for those interested in my game against Ryan, video commentary is here:
It took some time, but I watched the whole video at regular speed, and it was like reliving the simul from Ryan's perspective. It was very fascinating. Ryan's commentary seems to suggest that I lost the game in the endgame - I haven't reviewed with an AI or anything, but i'll take his word for it.
I found his comment interesting, "once you get to be 3 or 4d, you start to appreciate the value of the endgame". i still don't feel that appreciation, so maybe he is right. i suppose it would have helped in this game!
either way, i appreciated the game a lot, and i am grateful to Ryan for the opportunity.
I found his comment interesting, "once you get to be 3 or 4d, you start to appreciate the value of the endgame". i still don't feel that appreciation, so maybe he is right. i suppose it would have helped in this game!
either way, i appreciated the game a lot, and i am grateful to Ryan for the opportunity.
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Soccer season is done. I coached soccer for both of my kids. They seemed to enjoy it. I did, too, except for a couple of overly competitive parents
Now that that's finished, I'm going to try a new routine, again. I had debated a couple of things:
1. I am kind of interested in chess - I played chess as a kid, but I'm not good at it (just enough to beat my dad). Chess is a lot more popular in America, so it'd be easier to find something to talk about with folks.
2. I'm also a little interested in trying to learn Mandarin Chinese. I have some foundational skills in Japanese and Korean, so it'd be cool to have an idea of what people are saying when they speak in Chinese, too.
3. I like Japanese. I was pretty decent at it about 15 years ago - it helped living there. But I haven't studied in ages. I opened one of the Japanese novels I have in my library, and feelings of nostalgia hit me pretty strongly. Another benefit to studying Japanese is that I never took the JLPT level 1 test. I had that as a goal awhile back, but I never did it. It would have been easier back in 2005, but if I start studying again, maybe I could fulfill that dream.
4. There's practical benefit to studying Korean. I'm probably better at Korean than Japanese, now, and it's fun to chat with folks in Korean at go congresses and stuff. It also helps when I'm speaking with in-laws. And most of my go books/magazines are in Korean, so I can hit two birds with one stone if I read Korean go materials.
5. Could start a business...? Has been on my mind for awhile...
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The difficult part is that I don't have a ton of time to study each day, so I have to narrow down this list. First thing to go, sadly, was #3. The reason is that I can still communicate in Japanese, so the biggest benefit of studying it would be for JLPT. It would be cool to have that certification, but not immediately practical. I could say the same about Korean, but since I already have a better command of Korean, increasing my skill there could make me more fluent and really make it so that I can communicate smoothly. I still have a ways to go to improve speaking in Korean. So if I compare the two, Korean is more practical.
Chinese has some benefit, since it's something totally new... But reflecting, I think I want to have better mastery over Korean than starting over from scratch right now. It's fun to pick up something totally new to learn, but I want to break through with Korean more... Just personal preference, I guess. And again, practical benefit, since I have Korean family members.
So on the language side, maybe I can study Korean... Now how about go vs. chess? I thought about it awhile, and I'm ok with being on my deathbed and thinking, "well, I never learned chess that well"... I'd prefer to get over this wall I have in go. I am stuck around low dan level, and have been for years. If I have to choose between learning chess at a decent level, and achieving a higher dan level in go... I think I want go.
Now what about starting a business? I have had some ideas, but to implement them, it's a non-trivial amount of work. And for what? A little bit extra money? I'm not strapped for cash right now, so it seems like the wrong direction to go.
So that sums it up. I'll do pretty much same as usual: study Korean and go. Chess, Chinese, and Japanese have some appeal to them, but I will have to wait until I reprioritize or make more time for studying...
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Anyway, with that in mind, I tried getting back into routine. I studied some problems on the bus this morning, and I played a game at lunch today at work. I got destroyed
Painful. But I will try to play another game tonight for the AYD. Let's try to play better in tonight's game.
Now that that's finished, I'm going to try a new routine, again. I had debated a couple of things:
1. I am kind of interested in chess - I played chess as a kid, but I'm not good at it (just enough to beat my dad). Chess is a lot more popular in America, so it'd be easier to find something to talk about with folks.
2. I'm also a little interested in trying to learn Mandarin Chinese. I have some foundational skills in Japanese and Korean, so it'd be cool to have an idea of what people are saying when they speak in Chinese, too.
3. I like Japanese. I was pretty decent at it about 15 years ago - it helped living there. But I haven't studied in ages. I opened one of the Japanese novels I have in my library, and feelings of nostalgia hit me pretty strongly. Another benefit to studying Japanese is that I never took the JLPT level 1 test. I had that as a goal awhile back, but I never did it. It would have been easier back in 2005, but if I start studying again, maybe I could fulfill that dream.
4. There's practical benefit to studying Korean. I'm probably better at Korean than Japanese, now, and it's fun to chat with folks in Korean at go congresses and stuff. It also helps when I'm speaking with in-laws. And most of my go books/magazines are in Korean, so I can hit two birds with one stone if I read Korean go materials.
5. Could start a business...? Has been on my mind for awhile...
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The difficult part is that I don't have a ton of time to study each day, so I have to narrow down this list. First thing to go, sadly, was #3. The reason is that I can still communicate in Japanese, so the biggest benefit of studying it would be for JLPT. It would be cool to have that certification, but not immediately practical. I could say the same about Korean, but since I already have a better command of Korean, increasing my skill there could make me more fluent and really make it so that I can communicate smoothly. I still have a ways to go to improve speaking in Korean. So if I compare the two, Korean is more practical.
Chinese has some benefit, since it's something totally new... But reflecting, I think I want to have better mastery over Korean than starting over from scratch right now. It's fun to pick up something totally new to learn, but I want to break through with Korean more... Just personal preference, I guess. And again, practical benefit, since I have Korean family members.
So on the language side, maybe I can study Korean... Now how about go vs. chess? I thought about it awhile, and I'm ok with being on my deathbed and thinking, "well, I never learned chess that well"... I'd prefer to get over this wall I have in go. I am stuck around low dan level, and have been for years. If I have to choose between learning chess at a decent level, and achieving a higher dan level in go... I think I want go.
Now what about starting a business? I have had some ideas, but to implement them, it's a non-trivial amount of work. And for what? A little bit extra money? I'm not strapped for cash right now, so it seems like the wrong direction to go.
So that sums it up. I'll do pretty much same as usual: study Korean and go. Chess, Chinese, and Japanese have some appeal to them, but I will have to wait until I reprioritize or make more time for studying...
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Anyway, with that in mind, I tried getting back into routine. I studied some problems on the bus this morning, and I played a game at lunch today at work. I got destroyed
Painful. But I will try to play another game tonight for the AYD. Let's try to play better in tonight's game.
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Did a quick review of the game. A couple of highlights...
I thought this move was aligned with Uberdude's gospel. But it seems that both LZ and katago want me to respond at the top left (somewhere like 'a' or 'b').
But that difference is minor.
Seems that the biggest problem was with this atari: I played this automatically, feeling like it was joseki-ish. But both bots seem to suggest this:
Not intuitive to me, exactly, but I suppose the idea is to get a position on both sides.
I thought this move was aligned with Uberdude's gospel. But it seems that both LZ and katago want me to respond at the top left (somewhere like 'a' or 'b').
But that difference is minor.
Seems that the biggest problem was with this atari: I played this automatically, feeling like it was joseki-ish. But both bots seem to suggest this:
Not intuitive to me, exactly, but I suppose the idea is to get a position on both sides.
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New AI-joseki as far as I know. 'a' was the old joseki move if I'm not mistaken. The marked white stone leads to a lot of complicated fighting ^^Kirby wrote:But both bots seem to suggest this: