New networks Leela Zero, a Sensible Artificial Intelligence

[And]

200 more games 9x9, sai with additional parameters:
100 games KataGo 10x128-s4588 - SAI (--lambda 0 --mu 0 --nrsymm), (gt 610, 5 sec/move) 55:45 (KataGo b 17:33 and KataGo w 38:12)
100 games KataGo 10x128-s4588 - SAI (--lambda 0 --mu 0 --nrsymm --puct 0), (gt 610, 5 sec/move) 84:16 (KataGo b 39:11 and KataGo w 45:5)
with these parameters SAI (--lambda 0 --mu 0 --nrsymm --puct 0) some games end very quickly:

[And]

new release SAI 0.17.5 https://github.com/sai-dev/sai/releases

[And]

SAI 0.17.5
100 games KataGo 10x128-s4588 - SAI (--lambda 0 --mu 0 --nrsymm), (gt 610, 5 sec/move) 48:52 (KataGo b 10:40 and KataGo w 38:12)

[Vargo]

Twenty 9x9 games
SAI 0.17.5 v. katago1.2
both : gogui-twogtp 1.5.1 , --noponder, komi 7.5, 7 sec/move (GTX 1080)
no duplicate game, no error, both program always agree on the score.

Katago wins 12-8 (60%)

networks :
SAI : 94619dea457de054503cec030269ce842c47055ba51e96db8fee841dfbaf05f9
katago : g104-b20c256-s447913472-d241840887
I'm not sure if these are the best weights available...


The first game, won by SAI (Black) :

The stats : (B+... always means SAI wins, even if SAi is W, because of the command -alternate)

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[And]

Vargo could you make some more games on your powerful graphics card, but SAI with parameters (--lambda 0 --mu 0 --nrsymm)?

[And]

100 games 10 sec/move:
KataGo 10x128-s4588 - SAI (--lambda 0 --mu 0 --nrsymm), (gt 610) 51:49 (KataGo b 11:39 and KataGo w 40:10)
one of the games:

[Vargo]

Second 20-game test (same parameters and hardware) :
SAI 0.17.5 v. katago1.2
Katago wins 13-7 (65%)
SAI : ... --lambda 0.5 -r 5 -t 6 --batchsize 6 --nrsymm , but not --mu 0, I'll add it next time.

stats :

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SAI #218 66e662fe (--lambda 0 --mu 0 --nrsymm) http://sai.unich.it/networks/66e662fe4f ... 297ee7c.gz
against KataGo (10x128 s1108) 2:48 (5 sec/move, gt 610)

[georgenan]

SAI gives the only right answer to this



ALL zeros and its successor(leelaz\elfOpengo\minigo\ox\ on nextEngine;ttlEngine;alreadydoneEngine;komiEngine) cant give the right answer!!


Recently SAI weights strength goes beyond LZ092.
Yes, SAI really knows something now. Amazing!
You want to know the answer? Take SAI for a try！

[And]

SAI gives the only right answer to this

why is the only right answer? White can make any move and still win (maybe almost any )

here viewtopic.php?p=244851#p244851 really the only right answer

[bugsti]

SAI gives the only right answer to this

why is the only right answer? White can make any move and still win (maybe almost any )

here viewtopic.php?p=244851#p244851 really the only right answer

Nope, you are probably forgetting the tiny differences between japanese and chinese rules

There is just one winning sequence for white under chinese rules.

[Bill Spight]

SAI gives the only right answer to this

why is the only right answer? White can make any move and still win (maybe almost any )

here viewtopic.php?p=244851#p244851 really the only right answer

Nope, you are probably forgetting the tiny differences between japanese and chinese rules

There is just one winning sequence for white under chinese rules.

There are five winning moves for White under both Japanese and Chinese rules. (Edit: Corrected number of winning moves.) I haven't looked at the problem for a long time, but all problems in the book are White to play and win so that Japanese and Chinese rules agree. I.e., if White wins by 1 pt. of territory there will be an even number of stones on the board, the same number for each player.

[And]

Zenith Go 7 Analyze:
S14 - 52
Q10 - 51
H2 - 51
H16 - 49
G15 - 49

(fixed in SGF: Komi 0 and Chinese rules)

[Bill Spight]

Zenith Go 7 Analyze:
S14 - 52
Q10 - 51
H2 - 51
H16 - 49
G15 - 49

(fixed in SGF: Komi 0 and Chinese rules)

The five winning plays are S-14, Q-16, Q-07, Q-10, and R-09.

BTW, what is SAI's mainline solution?

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SAI 0.17.5 (Sabaki, 10000 Playouts, komi 0)

#222 afe36b9d

R9 -> 8280 (V: 53.90%)
O2 -> 431 (V: 50.05%)
H2 -> 236 (V: 51.91%)
S14 -> 193 (V: 49.90%)
Q16 -> 104 (V: 45.57%)
A7 -> 101 (V: 48.08%)
A17 -> 95 (V: 46.22%)
C19 -> 94 (V: 46.42%)
Q10 -> 85 (V: 52.01%)

#223 2cc322d9

S14 -> 8423 (V: 54.28%)
O2 -> 369 (V: 50.57%)
Q7 -> 217 (V: 49.62%)
Q10 -> 212 (V: 50.41%)
A17 -> 127 (V: 45.19%)

#224 dd403c0b

S14 -> 7354 (V: 54.74%)
H2 -> 1628 (V: 51.89%)
O2 -> 241 (V: 48.18%)
Q16 -> 169 (V: 46.91%)
C19 -> 114 (V: 45.18%)

#225 ef877be3

H2 -> 8419 (V: 54.16%)
O2 -> 409 (V: 49.71%)
S14 -> 355 (V: 51.01%)
Q16 -> 174 (V: 48.24%)
A17 -> 104 (V: 42.99%)

#230 6ebb71b9

S14 -> 6576 (V: 51.31%)
Q7 -> 2199 (V: 50.75%)
O2 -> 170 (V: 44.59%)
B8 -> 115 (V: 44.15%)
A7 -> 113 (V: 45.65%)