Yes. I was surprised when I looked at 19th century games with the Elf commentaries, which I had avoided doing because they were no komi games. I did not find that Elf's strongly disagreed with plays on the sides, although it did not like early pincers and extensions. I think that is because 4-4 openings were rare in the 19th century. IOW, having at least two stones in each corner was enough to promote plays on the side. That is the case in the diagram position you thought so much about.Kirby wrote: It was my turn as white, and I didn't really know where to play. My thoughts were:
* The bottom seems big because both black and white contend for influence there. So maybe I could play 'a'.
* The top right seems big, because I can prevent his enclosure. The "proper" way for this shape, I seemed to recall, was 'b'.
* I could play 'c', because the right side seems wide.
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I spent a good amount of time on just this move, and in the end:
1.) I ruled out the side moves because, I thought, "bots like corners more than sides"
2.) The move at 'b' seemed better than the move at 'c', because of the kicking variation, and how the subsequent pincer aids the bottom right formation.
I looked at this position briefly with KataGo - didn't let it do many playouts, but it preferred to play on the bottom right, per my initial instinct... I guess bots *do* like the side sometimes.
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The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
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I played against Blackie from BIBA today, with a 5 stone handicap. I lost. Here's the game, with some of the variations he included in the review:
Blackie's summary was that the opening was pretty good, but my ko threat was bad, and the subsequent ponnuki I gave was bad, and suddenly, white was back in the game. I hallucinated at the end, and ended up resigning.
We had done a kind of a bet before the game that the loser would do 1 pushup per point that they lost, and post the video online. If one side resigned, they'd have to do 75 pushups. I didn't really think about it during the game, but I resigned. So I'll be doing 75 pushups, I guess.
Blackie's summary was that the opening was pretty good, but my ko threat was bad, and the subsequent ponnuki I gave was bad, and suddenly, white was back in the game. I hallucinated at the end, and ended up resigning.
We had done a kind of a bet before the game that the loser would do 1 pushup per point that they lost, and post the video online. If one side resigned, they'd have to do 75 pushups. I didn't really think about it during the game, but I resigned. So I'll be doing 75 pushups, I guess.
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Looking at his OGS account, it seems that Blackie will have to do 8 pushups, as he lost against 2 handicap stones and 25 points reverse komi.
Doing a few pushups every day is certainly a good way to maintain your physical condition, but 75 pushups is hard...
Doing a few pushups every day is certainly a good way to maintain your physical condition, but 75 pushups is hard...
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It was harder than I thought, and my form started getting worse and worse. Near the end, I was barely moving my body down. I really wanted to get 75 in a row on video, but I had some issues. Here’s how it went:jlt wrote:Doing a few pushups every day is certainly a good way to maintain your physical condition, but 75 pushups is hard...
* First attempt: 61 pushups. You can see at the beginning of the video.
* Second attempt: 50 pushups - a little more tired, realized I wasn’t recording.
* Third attempt: Waited a little while, then did all 75 pushups! But then I saw the phone recording storage was full, and it only recorded about 70. Ugh.
* Fourth attempt: I used my laptop to do the recording to avoid running out of storage. My form was getting weak - I’m not going down as much as I’d like. But I think I finally got the full 75 recorded. But then I watched the video, and only saw 74….
* Fifth attempt: Tried for 75 again, but got to about 43, and stopped.
I kept getting weaker and weaker, and my form got worse and worse. So I'm going to try again in a couple of days. Technically, Blackie didn't say I had to do 75 *in a row*, but I wanted to to prove that I could do it. Technically, I did, but it doesn't seem satisfying :-S
Here are a few clips of my attempts from yesterday:
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Yeah, the more I did, the higher my chest gotjlt wrote:Hey you are cheating, your chest stays far above the ground.
Personally, I think the first ones in the video are OK - I don't think it's necessary to touch your chest to the ground. But as I kept getting more tired, I was barely going down at all. I like to aim for about 90 degree angle with my elbows, but those angles started getting more and more obtuse
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Haha - I take no offense to critique on my pushup form. I'm not aspiring to be a body builder, or even to do pushups in the longterm. I'm OK with having form that's a little off. It's just kind of a fun bet that I made with Blackie - and also something I'm doing on Facebook.
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It's been awhile since I played on Fox, and I started again today - inspired by Uberdude' gospel.
I tried to just think about the gospel stuff in the opening. It was the theme of this game. Here it is, with some comments:
My overall feeling - when I tried to just follow gospel, it felt like I got to the endgame quickly. Nothing all that exciting happened - no groups of mine were in serious danger. I did have a little bit of a skirmish in the middle where I had a minor setback, I think. But overall, it was like I just took some of the big points, moved to endgame, and game was over.
Hard to describe, but it didn't feel like a normal game to me. I'll see what KataGo thinks, now.
I tried to just think about the gospel stuff in the opening. It was the theme of this game. Here it is, with some comments:
My overall feeling - when I tried to just follow gospel, it felt like I got to the endgame quickly. Nothing all that exciting happened - no groups of mine were in serious danger. I did have a little bit of a skirmish in the middle where I had a minor setback, I think. But overall, it was like I just took some of the big points, moved to endgame, and game was over.
Hard to describe, but it didn't feel like a normal game to me. I'll see what KataGo thinks, now.
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A couple of observations from checking with AI...
Position 1 I felt comfortable above, but KataGo says I'm losing. In particular, I guess I lost a lot with the tiger's mouth. KataGo liked this a lot better:
Position 2 Here, I "approached 3-4" with my attachment, but KataGo seemed OK with this: Just put a stone there, and move on to a big gospel move, I guess. Also, when I *did* attach, it seemed better to go like this, after reviewing with AI:
Position 1 I felt comfortable above, but KataGo says I'm losing. In particular, I guess I lost a lot with the tiger's mouth. KataGo liked this a lot better:
Position 2 Here, I "approached 3-4" with my attachment, but KataGo seemed OK with this: Just put a stone there, and move on to a big gospel move, I guess. Also, when I *did* attach, it seemed better to go like this, after reviewing with AI:
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AYD game today, so I played in the evening instead of the usual time.
Again, I had a pretty simple mindset in the opening: try Uberdude's gospel.
Here's the SGF with some of my comments:
Again, I had a pretty simple mindset in the opening: try Uberdude's gospel.
Here's the SGF with some of my comments:
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Highlights:
Position 1 I didn't think of the ladder in playing the above move.
Position 2 I was a little naive with the move above - seems risky. I think this would be less risky: Position 3 The move above is probably a bit too risky. I should just save my group, probably:
Position 1 I didn't think of the ladder in playing the above move.
Position 2 I was a little naive with the move above - seems risky. I think this would be less risky: Position 3 The move above is probably a bit too risky. I should just save my group, probably:
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Some observations from KataGo...
Instead of my enclosure here, it seems that it could have been a good choice to help the right side: Here: There's maybe a ladder breaker: So it's not bad..
Here... It seems I'm leading - so I should just help the group on the left: Something like that.
Because later, suddenly the game was turned around: Black can play at 'a', and I'm in trouble, I guess.
Instead of my enclosure here, it seems that it could have been a good choice to help the right side: Here: There's maybe a ladder breaker: So it's not bad..
Here... It seems I'm leading - so I should just help the group on the left: Something like that.
Because later, suddenly the game was turned around: Black can play at 'a', and I'm in trouble, I guess.
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Weekend game in the AYD today. I played my nemesis, boltar. A long time ago, we were like 1-1 or 2-2 in the AYD. It seemed a little even for a little while. But then either he got better or I got worse, and it's been him winning pretty much every time we play.
Again, I tried to do the "gospel" at the beginning. I screwed one part up (my first 3-3 invasion should be enclose 3-4, I think). But then I got back on track and enclosed 3-4 when he approached my 4-4.
I think it was good to be somewhat calm in the opening. And I "kind of" won. At the point where the SGF ends, his power went out, and he abandoned the game. He sent an email saying he resigned by time. So it's not really satisfying, because I can still screw the game up and lose.
My only consolation is that KataGo seems to think I'm ahead here:
So I kind of broke his winning streak against me, though, not in a fully satisfying way. I'll watch Inseong's review, now, and may post more about this game.
Again, I tried to do the "gospel" at the beginning. I screwed one part up (my first 3-3 invasion should be enclose 3-4, I think). But then I got back on track and enclosed 3-4 when he approached my 4-4.
I think it was good to be somewhat calm in the opening. And I "kind of" won. At the point where the SGF ends, his power went out, and he abandoned the game. He sent an email saying he resigned by time. So it's not really satisfying, because I can still screw the game up and lose.
My only consolation is that KataGo seems to think I'm ahead here:
So I kind of broke his winning streak against me, though, not in a fully satisfying way. I'll watch Inseong's review, now, and may post more about this game.
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A couple of comments from Inseong...
Position 1 Inseong said that this used to be pretty common. But it's now thought to be good for white. He said there are variations after this: But he might make a lecture on it later.
Position 2 Inseong felt I played the move above since I was concerned about the left - it's true. But he said the top was bigger, and to play this one: Position 3 Inseong said my move above was a turning point - that the top is too big. So he recommended doing something on the top: Position 4 But he said white's move here was too much. That just extending is sufficient for white to be ahead: Position 5 So after here, he said the game was "clearly good for black". And that it was "nearly over". I certainly didn't feel this way.
Position 6 He said to just cut: He said the move is really big, and that it's as if black wedged and white answered like this: Position 7 I was afraid white would kill black. But he said black is fine, and white is just dead: I still haven't read all of the variations, but he said this would have just finished the game.
Position 8 He mentioned, and I actually saw this during the game, too, that it's not actually a ko: And he said after this, it means that white had a great success - I had a total advantage on the bottom, but basically gave the game to white here.
Fortunately, after the ko variation, black still was ahead. But I didn't know this. After the game, he told me to upload it, and I asked him who was ahead.
He pointed out in the review a general statement that I'm bad at evaluating the position. He said that he thinks I've played too many games where I play a crazy move and sometimes it works and I get ahead from being behind. And likewise, sometimes I'm ahead, and I play a crazy move, and then I get behind. So he said my overall sense of judgment is wonky.
So I guess this is something I should focus on. The bottom right was a reading issue, so I should have that intuition/reading ability. But outside of that, I should get a better sense/evaluation of who is ahead. I guess it means I should count more.
Position 1 Inseong said that this used to be pretty common. But it's now thought to be good for white. He said there are variations after this: But he might make a lecture on it later.
Position 2 Inseong felt I played the move above since I was concerned about the left - it's true. But he said the top was bigger, and to play this one: Position 3 Inseong said my move above was a turning point - that the top is too big. So he recommended doing something on the top: Position 4 But he said white's move here was too much. That just extending is sufficient for white to be ahead: Position 5 So after here, he said the game was "clearly good for black". And that it was "nearly over". I certainly didn't feel this way.
Position 6 He said to just cut: He said the move is really big, and that it's as if black wedged and white answered like this: Position 7 I was afraid white would kill black. But he said black is fine, and white is just dead: I still haven't read all of the variations, but he said this would have just finished the game.
Position 8 He mentioned, and I actually saw this during the game, too, that it's not actually a ko: And he said after this, it means that white had a great success - I had a total advantage on the bottom, but basically gave the game to white here.
Fortunately, after the ko variation, black still was ahead. But I didn't know this. After the game, he told me to upload it, and I asked him who was ahead.
He pointed out in the review a general statement that I'm bad at evaluating the position. He said that he thinks I've played too many games where I play a crazy move and sometimes it works and I get ahead from being behind. And likewise, sometimes I'm ahead, and I play a crazy move, and then I get behind. So he said my overall sense of judgment is wonky.
So I guess this is something I should focus on. The bottom right was a reading issue, so I should have that intuition/reading ability. But outside of that, I should get a better sense/evaluation of who is ahead. I guess it means I should count more.
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