EverettLiu, OGS 9d has left comments on this game. I've updated the OGS review as well as the .sgf, adding some bonus KataGo variations.Maharani wrote:KataGo self-play (New Zealand rules, 7 komi) - game 1: https://online-go.com/review/442122
It was not a tie.
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games
EverettLiu, OGS 9d has left comments on this game. I've updated the OGS review as well as the .sgf, adding some bonus KataGo variations.Maharani wrote:KataGo self-play (New Zealand rules, 7 komi) - game 1: https://online-go.com/review/442122
It was not a tie.
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games
Anton Christenson, EGF 3d did a 45-minute YouTube review of this game! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV9j4CrEUccMaharani wrote:Kata got mad at me for calling the previous game understandable by humans. Game 39 (NZ rules, 7 komi) is another absolutely alien-like game that involves incredible trades resulting in large territories on both sides and a breathtaking tie. Don't sleep on this one. https://online-go.com/review/543331
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I’ve added all of his (commented) variations, plus more KataGo variations, to the OGS review as well.
I just remembered to update the .sgf in my 19x19 post as well.
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games
In game 40 (New Zealand rules, 7 komi), white builds a center moyo. Black invades it at move 63 and claims more than half of it. Some major trades occur elsewhere. In the end, black wins by 4 or 6 points. https://online-go.com/demo/view/546829
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Game 41 (New Zealand rules, 7 komi) was a spectacular, messy-looking whole-board fight. Another incredible tie, bringing our final tally of this series to 10 black wins, 11 ties and 20 white wins. I will return to exploring AGT positions until spook implements the newest Kata net on ZBaduk. https://online-go.com/demo/view/548813
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games
KataGo continuing from an AlphaGo Teach position, game 12: In which white almost makes a B2 bomber shape in the fuseki. Black refuses to be shown up and builds a proper B2 bomber later. The game is decided in a ko that is fought over 76 moves. https://online-go.com/review/549948
Cool winrate graph, too:

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Cool winrate graph, too:

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My next project is to explore AlphaGo teach positions in which white makes a mistake on move 2 in order to get the winrate closer to 50 % (continuing with KataGo at the end of AGT's sequence). Game 13: https://online-go.com/review/551206
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Anton Christenson, EGF 3d did a 65-minute YouTube review of this game! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV9j4CrEUccMaharani wrote:Game 12 (NZ rules, 7 komi) is probably my favourite game in this thread so far. The fuseki looks like drunk humans playing, and after that it's just one breathtaking magic trick after another - to end in only our second tie so far. Beautiful game. https://online-go.com/review/458154
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My current project, which started with game 13, is to explore AlphaGo teach positions in which white makes a mistake on move 2 in order to get the winrate closer to 50 % (continuing with KataGo at the end of AGT's sequence).
White won game 14 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) by 0.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/555588
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In game 15 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi), black slays white's dragon and wins big. Noteworthily, Leela Zero gives white 64 % winrate as late as move 275: https://online-go.com/review/557168
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In game 16 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi), it is black's dragon that dies: https://online-go.com/review/559409
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White won game 14 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) by 0.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/555588
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In game 15 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi), black slays white's dragon and wins big. Noteworthily, Leela Zero gives white 64 % winrate as late as move 275: https://online-go.com/review/557168
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In game 16 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi), it is black's dragon that dies: https://online-go.com/review/559409
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White wins game 17 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) by 26 points or so: https://online-go.com/review/562045
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Likewise, white is ahead by about 26 points again by the end of game 18 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi): https://online-go.com/review/564920
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Black wins game 19 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) by 1.5 points or so. Leela Zero gives white 62 % winrate as late as move 308: https://online-go.com/review/568395
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Likewise, white is ahead by about 26 points again by the end of game 18 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi): https://online-go.com/review/564920
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Black wins game 19 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) by 1.5 points or so. Leela Zero gives white 62 % winrate as late as move 308: https://online-go.com/review/568395
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White wins game 20 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) by 2.5 points or so: https://online-go.com/review/572299
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In my endeavour of exploring AlphaGo Teach positions (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) in which white plays a mistake on move 2 to give black a closer-to-even winrate, KataGo has found a few move 2s which are not included in AlphaGo Teach’s database. This is my first pure KataGo self-play game with Chinese rules and 7.5 komi, in which white miscalculates a ko and black is ahead by about 27 points by move 179: https://online-go.com/review/578137
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In my endeavour of exploring AlphaGo Teach positions (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) in which white plays a mistake on move 2 to give black a closer-to-even winrate, KataGo has found a few move 2s which are not included in AlphaGo Teach’s database. This is my first pure KataGo self-play game with Chinese rules and 7.5 komi, in which white miscalculates a ko and black is ahead by about 27 points by move 179: https://online-go.com/review/578137
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Black wins game 21 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) by 1.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/585814
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White wins game 22 by 4.5 points or so: https://online-go.com/review/587157
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Black wins game 23 by 1.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/587863
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White wins game 22 by 4.5 points or so: https://online-go.com/review/587157
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Black wins game 23 by 1.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/587863
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White wins the IMO beautifully balanced 24th game by 0.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/591763
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games
Anton Christenson, EGF 3d did a 78-minute YouTube review of this game! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T2QPBcjab4Maharani wrote:Game 15 (NZ rules, 7 komi) was another complicated game. A lot of small groups, including an early-game seki. The winrate stayed even throughout until black crashed at move 225. https://online-go.com/review/465809
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I’ve added all of his (commented) variations, plus more KataGo variations, to the OGS review as well.
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Black wins game 25 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) by 1.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/596153
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White wins game 26 by 0.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/598754
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White wins game 26 by 0.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/598754
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In my endeavour of exploring AlphaGo Teach positions (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) in which white plays a mistake on move 2 to give black a closer-to-even winrate, KataGo has found a few move 2s which are not included in AlphaGo Teach’s database. This is my second pure KataGo self-play game with Chinese rules and 7.5 komi, which black wins by 1.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/600621
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