#268 Gorim vs jlt

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[go]$$Bcm107 Captures B:0 W:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | 2 . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . . . . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . O . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O X X X . . O X O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm107 Captures B:0 W:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . 3 . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . . . . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . O . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O X X X . . O X O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Black is playing an unnecessarily risky game. If white manages to isolate the black center stones, black may have to concede territory while scrambling for two eyes.

Something like this looks much safer.
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[go]$$Bc Captures B:0 W:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . 3 . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . . . . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . O 2 . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O X X X . . O X O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm109 Captures B:0 W:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . 2 . . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . O . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O X X X . . O X O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
According to my counting, Black has about 14 more solid points than White. I can't win if I don't capture this stone.
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[go]$$Bcm109 Captures B:0 W:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . 3 O . . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . O . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O X X X . . O X O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Variations like this don't work.
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[go]$$Bcm111 Captures B:0 W:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O 9 . 8 . X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . 7 6 X O 4 . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X X O X . 5 O 2 3 . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O X X X . . O X O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So I don't know. I don't have a good move.
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[go]$$Bcm111 Captures B:0 W:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . X O 2 . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . O . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O X X X . . O X O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm111 Captures B:0 W:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . 3 . X O O . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . O . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O X X X . . O X O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm113 Captures B:0 W:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . X . X O O . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . O . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O X X X . . O X O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm113 Captures B:0 W:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X 3 X O . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . X . X O O . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . O . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O X X X . . O X O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm115 Captures B:0 W:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . X . X O O . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X X O X 2 . O . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O X X X . . O X O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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I think that it is GG.
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[go]$$Bc Captures B:0 W:2 The 3-4 exchange ensures that 5 is sente.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . 3 4 O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . 6 O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . 2 5 . X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . X . X O O . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X X O X W 1 O . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O X X X . . O X O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm115 Captures B:0 W:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . X . X O O . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O 3 O . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O X X X . . O X O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm117 Captures B:0 W:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . O O . O , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . X O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
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Re: #268 Gorim vs jlt

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Re: #268 Gorim vs jlt

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[go]$$Bcm119 Captures B:0 W:3
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