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Re: Prokovich game
R11 seems very natural to me. The obvious choice is either R11 or kakari.
If White approaches the top-left first, Black can find a way to get sente and then take the big point on the right. By taking the big point on the right it seems that you can either get both or force Black into the following, which looks good for White to me.
Fuseki is definitely the weakest part of my game. I'd be interested in others opinions on my thought process.
Edit: Hidden the diagram as that seems to be the trend in the thread. I'm not sure why though. The only thing I can think is it makes the actual game posts easier to find/follow.
If White approaches the top-left first, Black can find a way to get sente and then take the big point on the right. By taking the big point on the right it seems that you can either get both or force Black into the following, which looks good for White to me.
Fuseki is definitely the weakest part of my game. I'd be interested in others opinions on my thought process.
Edit: Hidden the diagram as that seems to be the trend in the thread. I'm not sure why though. The only thing I can think is it makes the actual game posts easier to find/follow.
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Re: Prokovich game
Right, the reason I hide diagrams is, it makes it easier to pick out the real moves at a glance, as well as saving vertical scroll-space.
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Re: Prokovich game
The title of this thread always confuses me. Will there also be a Shostakofiev game?
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Re: Prokovich game
freegame nailed it:
Now what?
Would you be more comfortable playing White or Black?
Now what?
Would you be more comfortable playing White or Black?
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Re: Prokovich game
@ tj86430
yes bottom center seems the only place. I would go for a low move (K3) to have easy follow-ups to make a base.
If black played anything else white will play the bottom center (or pincer in case of an approach) that puts white in a good position to take a lot of solid points while attacking black.
It still seems quite even to me. I would be satisfied with both black and white.
though if I had to pick a side I would go with black for 2 reasons:
1: If black now gets a move in the bottom center black gets an easy group on the bottom preventing white from getting an attack or a lot of solid points.
2: for now it seems like there is not much fighting going on. in case of no fighting and relatively big areas with points the komi white gets "feels" less. In a game where there is a lot of fighting and small areas the komi white gets adds up to a bigger percentage of the total points.
looking ahead:
If black takes the bottom white will most likely approach that stone.
I would do so from the right bottom, because the R11 stone is further, meaning there is more to gain in the bottom right part of the board, compared to the bottom left (very small difference)
If white does not approach black gets to approach one of the corners and have nice support from the bottom center stone, making it easier (more likely) to end the joseki in sente.
yes bottom center seems the only place. I would go for a low move (K3) to have easy follow-ups to make a base.
If black played anything else white will play the bottom center (or pincer in case of an approach) that puts white in a good position to take a lot of solid points while attacking black.
dfan wrote:Would you be more comfortable playing White or Black?
It still seems quite even to me. I would be satisfied with both black and white.
though if I had to pick a side I would go with black for 2 reasons:
1: If black now gets a move in the bottom center black gets an easy group on the bottom preventing white from getting an attack or a lot of solid points.
2: for now it seems like there is not much fighting going on. in case of no fighting and relatively big areas with points the komi white gets "feels" less. In a game where there is a lot of fighting and small areas the komi white gets adds up to a bigger percentage of the total points.
looking ahead:
If black takes the bottom white will most likely approach that stone.
I would do so from the right bottom, because the R11 stone is further, meaning there is more to gain in the bottom right part of the board, compared to the bottom left (very small difference)
If white does not approach black gets to approach one of the corners and have nice support from the bottom center stone, making it easier (more likely) to end the joseki in sente.
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Re: Prokovich game
Where?tj86430 wrote:My guess would be somewhere in the bottom center.
I'd prefer it for people to make concrete suggestions; often picking an exact point is the interesting part!
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Re: Prokovich game
As stated above I personally like White here. White has developed faster and 2 corners + 2 sides > 2 corners.
For the next move, splitting the bottom seems intuitive (K3 I guess) , but I wonder if it really is all that big. Making a moyo from 3-3 points is traditionally bad so maybe Black doesn't mind if White gets to do this. For that reason C12 might be playable. I'm not sure which I'd play if it was my game. Probably K3 in a tournament (because it can't be all that bad even if not optimal) and C12 online (because it might be bad but I like it).
For the next move, splitting the bottom seems intuitive (K3 I guess) , but I wonder if it really is all that big. Making a moyo from 3-3 points is traditionally bad so maybe Black doesn't mind if White gets to do this. For that reason C12 might be playable. I'm not sure which I'd play if it was my game. Probably K3 in a tournament (because it can't be all that bad even if not optimal) and C12 online (because it might be bad but I like it).
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Re: Prokovich game
Yeah, I now prefer white, which really surprises me considering I hated white's position a few moves ago.
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Re: Prokovich game
I don't like how low white is in this game. I think black will have an easier time controlling the center of the board. I'd prefer to be black here, and to play a wedge at K3.
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Re: Prokovich game
This seemed to be the general consensus, and it is indeed what Black played - well done. Now what? Approach this stone (from which side)? Split the top? Something else?