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CDavis7M wrote:Which commentaries are you talking about? Videos online? Or in books/magazines? These days there are more and more low effort videos fueled by AI. We will soon see compilation AIs that can analyze the games, create variations, automatically generate commentary, and generate speech and the video to go with it... like the guy on Reddit who wanted to make a video about the Blood vomiting game can't be bothered to spend $80 for copies of Go Review and instead asks for piracy.
I saw that one. The question was unfortunate, but I might see a couple of points were it might be... unavoidable? I got my first Go World issues back when e-commerce for private citizens didn't exist. Scanned and put on a text-based FTP. I possibly have those files somewhere, yet. I couldn't buy them until years later, and I did. Both sets. Same with GoGoD. I have to assume some people have similar difficulties even these days. 80 USD for a single issue you want is a considerable expense in some budgets. Yes, even if you have an internet connection. I've met people who can't pay for a sleeping place but who *need* a phone as a safety line, or to call each other when there's a business opportunity (even if it's scrap metal). I don't know if that poster fit a profile that would make explain his recoil at the $80 tag. And, yes, sure, he might simply be spoiled.

What I was talking about, anyhow, are any sort of commentaries which are actually commented. I don't really like comments from a computer screen (specially some programs are so damn... visually flat.. I simply can't recall what they said barely some seconds before; my visual brain doesn't have anything to latch on to [*]), but I can follow those if they're actually commented, and not a simple retell of the percentage with a background of chill out music. Besides that... anything goes. Blogs, magazines, videos, sgf's... I might even try to go for a audio-only podcast, see if I can follow it. Some methods make information easier to follow, but what I want is the information, not the method.
Anyway, I guess it's hard to know which games were truly memorable unless you hear it from the player themselves.
Which are *personally* memorable, sure. Some games rise above the background on their own, though. The ear reddening game, the blood vomiting game, the atomic bomb game, the 7th Kisei, the fourth AlphaGo... And, sure, some are more significant than others, but I kinda double dare you to say any of the games in "400 years of Go" is NOT significant. There doesn't seem to be anything similar with women's Go. Yet?

I tried to find the book Mr. Fairbairn mentioned, but I couldn't find it, neither at Amazon-JP nor at the NK's site. Mind you, I searched for "30 years" and "women's go", since that was what I had. Yes, in Japanese.
Is it only memorable if you have to get dressed up?
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That third image is quirky... That's a young girl's kimono, isn't it? I'd have thought that once they reached pro status, specially after the very beginning, they'd "grow" their kimono somehow. Obvioslu not to "old grandma" standards, but a bit more. Wasn't... Kita Fumiko? the one who had to dress like a nun for a while?

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[*] Incidentally, that's why I followed Sibicky religiously when he was at the Center, but I've mostly swapped to Dwyrin now. At least he sometimes uses a real board, and his usual program is a bit more visually compelling.
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I tried to find the book Mr. Fairbairn mentioned, but I couldn't find it, neither at Amazon-JP nor at the NK's site. Mind you, I searched for "30 years" and "women's go", since that was what I had. Yes, in Japanese.
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That third image is quirky... That's a young girl's kimono, isn't it? I'd have thought that once they reached pro status, specially after the very beginning, they'd "grow" their kimono somehow. Obvioslu not to "old grandma" standards, but a bit more. Wasn't... Kita Fumiko? the one who had to dress like a nun for a while?
The go women go to a specialist kimono shop where they can buy or hire, and most of all get advice on what to wear and how to put it on. Bit like men's kilts over here. I wouldn't dare comment on styles, except that often the choice is not a matter of looking "cool" (ugh) but of reflecting the seasons.

With Kita, I suspect you're recalling that she had to dress like a boy with a shaved pow - a Hayashi family tradition.
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I read an interview about Asami’s Senko Cup victory now she’s had time to absorb it. There were some interesting insights.

One was that she now does a physical workout (“19 minutes of Hell”) and has found it has made a difference.

More interesting is that since February she had been keeping notes on her international rivals. She noted for example that Yu sticks with 2 fuseki patterns as Black and one as White. She also made notes on their abilities in other phases, rather like the radar charts discussed elsewhere here. But one item she adds is whether their play is “AI like”. It would nice to know how she uses that info.
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Ueno Asami vs Yuki Satoshi is coming up soon, in the Agon Cup preliminaries. The winner will qualify into the main tournament.

Yuki Satoshi is perhaps best known for his run of wins in the NHK Cup, starting in 2009, and for his dominating win of the 2010 Tengen over Yamashita Keigo.

Also, the possibility of Fujisawa Rina vs Iyama Yuta in the Tengen is on the horizon. Fujisawa has to beat Cho Riyu, and Iyama has to beat either Cho U or Ida Atsushi.
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bugcat wrote:Fujisawa has to beat Cho Riyu, and Iyama has to beat either Cho U or Ida Atsushi.
Sorry, according to https://gotoeveryone.k2ss.info/news/jp/tengen/48/ it is Otake Yu for Fujisawa Rina (Cho Riyu was her last opponent in this tournament).
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John Fairbairn wrote:
More interesting is that since February she had been keeping notes on her international rivals. She noted for example that Yu sticks with 2 fuseki patterns as Black and one as White. She also made notes on their abilities in other phases, rather like the radar charts discussed elsewhere here. But one item she adds is whether their play is “AI like”. It would nice to know how she uses that info.
More interesting, to me, is that before February she didn't know those kind of things about their rivals. I thought that everybody knows basic things about their opponents, at least before important games. It must be a lot of work, and you can't keep track of everybody.
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According to GTE, Asami is playing against Eiko today in the second round of the Shinjin O.

The winner will play against Terada Shuta, who is not particularly strong.
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The Go Seigen Cup, international tournament for women, should be happening now. I saw that the Japanese players had it scheduled, but since a few days ago, those games aren't there anymore.

In case it was a mistake in the NK website, I checked WBaduk. No games.

Has the tournament been cancelled? Looks like it, according to

https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/goseigen/archive.html
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Update: Ueno won.

Two other women could join her in the third round of the Shinjin O. Moro Arisa will face unremarkable but quite highly rated 3p Takei Taishin. Kato Chie will face less highly rated opponent Abe Yoshiki.

Takei has 276 GoR points over Moro. Abe has 163 over Kato.

If Moro wins, she'll almost certainly be knocked out by Otake Yu. However, if Kato wins, she'll come up against Sakai Yuki -- he was a Children's Kisei and a former Shinjin O semifinalist, but Go Ratings currently has him rated barely higher than Abe. So if Kato can beat Abe, she may have a good shot at defeating Sakai and even being able to enter the semifinals.

The prospect of a Shinjin O semifinal featuring both Ueno and Kato isn't ridiculous. They're in separate brackets, though, so we won't get to see them play against each other.

Male players Otake Yu and Oomote Takuto have also entered the third round. One male-male game is still left to play in the second round (Sakai Kentaro vs Koike Yoshihiro).
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This looks like a long shot to me, but hey, why not. Let's see what happens, it can be fun to follow it and see how far they can go.

But Ueno vs. Chie would be the final, not the semifinal. If Chie defeats Sakai, that would put her in the 3rd round (quartefinal). Then, fight someone who comes from Sumire's side of the chart.

Many things can happen and the tournament just started. The solution, in a few months.
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pajaro wrote:The Go Seigen Cup, international tournament for women, should be happening now. I saw that the Japanese players had it scheduled, but since a few days ago, those games aren't there anymore.

In case it was a mistake in the NK website, I checked WBaduk. No games.

Has the tournament been cancelled? Looks like it, according to

https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/goseigen/archive.html
It has been postponed.
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Was a reason for the postponement given?
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bugcat wrote:Was a reason for the postponement given?
Due to the covid situation, getting worse in China.

I don't know more details.
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Ferran wrote:I was wondering... besides the odd YouTube video or blog, is there any media on Japanese Amazons in Western languages? Books? I know some time ago I started checking for Kita Fumiko and similar players, and I could only find Kifu. Do we have any monographs on, say, Fujisawa Rina, Xie Yimin... I think back when, there was some info on Rui Naiwei, but... There's quite a void, isn't there?
You spoke a little too soon. Just today (May 16) a new book on Fujisawa Rina was published. It is a game collection on her path to 4 crowns with self-commentary and commentary by Takao Shinji. It has articles and pictures too. https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4839979820/

I saw it being advertised by the commentators (Suzuki Shinju and Rin Kanketsu) during the Gosei tournament final between Ichiriki Ryo and Yo Seiki.

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CDavis7M wrote: You spoke a little too soon. Just today (May 16) a new book on Fujisawa Rina was published. It is a game collection on her path to 4 crowns with self-commentary and commentary by Takao Shinji. It has articles and pictures too.
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