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 Post subject: A Self-Reviewed Game (suitable for Low-SDK or DDK to learn)
Post #1 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:29 am 
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This is a game played on IGS at 3.5D level. The game is not very complex, and the quality is good. Hence, I think it is suitable for Low-SDK or DDK to learn. I (black) lost by 2.5 points and reviewed very carefully with AI. Any critiques and feedbacks are welcomed also.

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Post #2 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:10 am 
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Just a comment on this position: when I review my games with Katago, Black usually tenukis.

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[go]$$Bc Position at move 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O O O . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Suppose for instance Black plays elsewhere and White clamps...

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[go]$$Bc Position at move 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 8 b . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 9 7 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . c . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O O O . . . , . . . . 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . 2 X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 a X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


None of the players wants to play "a", as it would be a slonection. White still needs to protect at "b", and then Black can defend at "c".


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 Post subject: Re: A Self-Reviewed Game (suitable for Low-SDK or DDK to lea
Post #3 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:32 am 
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Thanks for jlt to correct my wrong intution!


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Post #4 Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:25 am 
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Post #5 Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:39 am 
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andy12514 wrote:
Thanks for jlt to correct my wrong intution!

To be fair, I think the other position is more suitable for DDK and SDK. Maybe the jump is too slow, but it's much more manageable. Unless it's a high rank SDK, there are plenty of places to collapse. Seems to me that most games are won as a result of a collapse.

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Post #6 Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:51 am 
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[go]$$B
$$ . . . O . . |
$$ . . X 1 2 . |
$$ . . X O 3 . |
$$ . . , O . . |
$$ . X . . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$B
$$ . . . O . . |
$$ . . X O 3 . |
$$ . . X 1 2 . |
$$ . . X O . . |
$$ . . , O . . |
$$ . X . . . . |[/go]


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Post #7 Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:03 am 
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O 3 . |
$$ | . X . O O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



The normal continuation for White is this

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X W 3 . |
$$ | . X . O O O . . . , . . . . . , W . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Then Black can't capture the marked stones, so the push and cut is considered as bad for Black.


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 Post subject: Re: A Self-Reviewed Game (suitable for Low-SDK or DDK to lea
Post #8 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 10:25 pm 
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jlt wrote:
Then Black can't capture the marked stones, so the push and cut is considered as bad for Black.

Yes. you are right. I was looking wrong.
Thanks.

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[go]$$B Good for White
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O X O |
$$ | . X . O O O . . . , . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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