Following Nakamura Sumire

[floating]

Nakamura vs Sakai Yuki, a promisingi 18 years old in the Teikei Cup prelims from today. Enjoyable flow in the game, Nakamura lost

A comment of the game by JK (in Japanese, but with emphasis in universal language):

Do you know who this JK is? I understand some japanese but he doesn't introduce himself in the begin of the video and his channels description doesn't have an introduction either so I'm wondering

[pajaro]

Do you know who this JK is? I understand some japanese but he doesn't introduce himself in the begin of the video and his channels description doesn't have an introduction either so I'm wondering

I don't know. I even asked in the general section of the forum, but nobody seems to know.

[CDavis7M]

I've been wondering too. Just some Go enthusiast I guess. Maybe they have local fame. I always get recommended those videos and they are always timely/relevant. Plus fairly short and to the point. Recommended.

[pajaro]

The prelims for the kisei have started.

Sumire got a win in her first game against Koyama Ryugo 7-dan, father and husband of other rivals.

I have been taking a lot at her group. She could find people like Ueno Risa, Xie Yimin, Nyu Eiko (more familiar), or Oya Kouichi and Aoki Sinichi, both 9-dan but less known around here.

It's a really long path, and when 2 years ago she made it to the C league, she was given a lot of credit for that. Can she make it again?

[pajaro]

For those who watch the Igo/Shogi Channel, Sumire is playing a special match with Joanne Missingham (who is now being called Koku Kaka in Japan - they used to say Koku Yoshiyoshi, which is soooooooooooo much nicer) on 23 November.

What happened with this game? Is it possible to watch at least a few minutes?

[Elom0]

Yes seconded we need to know!

[John Fairbairn]

What happened with this game? Is it possible to watch at least a few minutes?

I don't know, and on past performance we may never know. Sumire played games with Takemiya and Rin Kaiho on this channel a couple of years ago and they never saw the light of day except, I presume, for the people who pay the Premium subscription on the channel. I never even saw the results.

Never say never!

[Elom0]

What happened with this game? Is it possible to watch at least a few minutes?

I don't know, and on past performance we may never know. Sumire played games with Takemiya and Rin Kaiho on this channel a couple of years ago and they never saw the light of day except, I presume, for the people who pay the Premium subscription on the channel. I never even saw the results.

Never say never!

How does she always manage to avoid Cho Chikun!?!?

[pajaro]

When Sumire and Rina played the final game of the female Kisei, I thought it was a good game to broadcast on youtube. But it wasn't. Later, I "read" an article in Kyodo, I think, with images from the Igo/Shogi Channel. It made sense. The game had been played in a nice environment, with Takao Shinji commenting live, NHK style, for premium users. They seem to want to make some money from the games... who saw that coming? So I remembered the game with Joanne Missingham. I see I was not the only one interested, and not the only that perhaps will never know. In the past, I have seen a few short videos of other events, so I was hoping that at least we could know the result, and maybe see some pictures. Looks like... not.

About the non-game with Cho Chikun, I don't believe we are the only ones who think that it would be great and draw a lot of attention. I am starting to think that there is some hidden reason why this hasn't happened. But again, another thing that (most likely) we will never know.

[Elom0]

. . . About the non-game with Cho Chikun, I don't believe we are the only ones who think that it would be great and draw a lot of attention. I am starting to think that there is some hidden reason why this hasn't happened. But again, another thing that (most likely) we will never know.

What if they've already played and it was secretly broadcast on premium without us knowing, haha

[pajaro]

. . . About the non-game with Cho Chikun, I don't believe we are the only ones who think that it would be great and draw a lot of attention. I am starting to think that there is some hidden reason why this hasn't happened. But again, another thing that (most likely) we will never know.

What if they've already played and it was secretly broadcast on premium without us knowing, haha

NOOOOOO!!!!!!

[vier]

For those who watch the Igo/Shogi Channel, Sumire is playing a special match with Joanne Missingham on 23 November.

What happened with this game? Is it possible to watch at least a few minutes?

See https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1pD4y1e7cd/.

[pajaro]

I just found a page with lots of data of Sumire, since she became a pro:

https://gorisenri.livedoor.blog/archive ... e-all.html

She is currently ranked 102 (in Japan, I guess), and 98 just one month ago. She has won more games against odds than lost games also against odds.

As for the promotion situation, she has won 72 games so far. So, 30 for 2-dan and 40 for 3-dan. At this point, she has only 2 wins in the long way to 4-dan.

There are lots of interesting data. The web is in Japanese, but as you need to understand very little to know what's everything, the translator is enough here. If you know Japanese or are brave enough, perhaps you can navigate to other player's data.

[John Fairbairn]

Nice find.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sumire gets to 4-dan by April on the basis of prize money. She appeared in the Samsung Cup and is in the Women's Kisei title match. I've never seen how prize-money is totalled for promotion, but if it includes game fees, then the Women's Meijin will add a lot as it's a league (i.e. all games), and it might therefore also include her games in China, which would have attracted a big payout, I expect. And nobody leaps out at me as a rival for prize-money promotion.

[pajaro]

Not by April.

The rules for promotion are here:

https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/player/rank.html

Prize money is criteria 3. It's based on ranking the whole year (January-December), and only the big seven seem to count. Two promotions per rank. Also, if a player has been promoted based on games, that player can't be promoted based on money the same year.

These promotions are effective on January 1st. I remember because Sumire's first opponent this year was promoted like this. I saw her schedule and her opponent, and after the game, something in my head was strange. It was his rank. I posted about this, but I am too lazy now to look the name of that player.

In 2021, Sumire got to the kisei C league and to the A prelim of the Judan. But she was also promoted to 2-dan with 30 wins. In 2022, promoted again by wins. Could she have been promoted based on prize money too? Quite likely. Now, 4-dan is far away. Even if she wins a lot, 38 wins in 2023 are too many, so a promotion to 4-dan based on wins in 2023 is unlikely. But on prize money... I think she could make it.