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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!

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ok..that was kinda painful.. but i had no way to avoid his attack
i think this peep is a perfect timing. i am not sure what advantage this gives me but later he will not answer the peep but i think he will answer now.
i will endure his attack and wait for my chance.
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$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X 0 . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I read through a few variations... I don't know exactly what he's up to. I think it's safe for me to play here, though.

Some of his responses that I've been thinking about (a through d, below):
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$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . b . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . a O c d . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X B . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!

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Kirby:
Welcome back! My bets are on you this game. Keep up the high spirits and show no fear! MW thrives on fear.
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Kerby wrote:Kirby:
Welcome back! My bets are on you this game. Keep up the high spirits and show no fear! MW thrives on fear.


He's going down! Let's go 4 stones!
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!

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Black's Move 28:
Kirby wrote: I want to weaken his group on the bottom right. Capping should limit the group's central influence.


White plays a "forcing" move

Black's next move:
Kirby wrote: I think it's safe for me to play here, though.


What about ignoring and continuing the attack? Maybe K5? Anyways it's hard to say the Black move is bad, hard to say if K5 is any good in any case. Just pointing out how it feels to me like Black is automatically answering White here.
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$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i think he answered correctly. not 100% sure though.
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$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 2 X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is a little passive, but I need to be stronger before attacking more severely.
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yoyoma wrote:
Magicwand wrote:i hope he move that stone.

Kirby wrote:Hmmm. He didn't play as expected. However, as Magicwand said before, "One stone is aji". Therefore, I will play at the point that I previously thought was good for white and get more points. There is still aji around where I was going to cut before (although cutting now is not a good idea).


I've lost so many games by reflexively jumping out with a single stone when my opponent pincers it!

Yeah, I tend to do the opposite, and lose by sacrificing pincered stones too readily. Maybe someday I'll be high enough rank to get to play you in a tournament, and we'll have an amusing battle of incorrect pincer responses. =D


Araban:
Thanks for posting that video. I'd seen it before, but forgotten it, so it helped for me to see it again.
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Kirby's last looks like a mistake to me. He should be avoiding small fights that disapate the pressure, and keeping himself connected.
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To Kirby:
Why not just connect solidly? It seems like that not only has less aji, but aims at the weakness in White's left a little more.
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$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 O X X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i am thinking he is rattled by my attack. i will try to rattle him more by playing unorthadox move myself.
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Aphelion wrote:To Kirby:
Why not just connect solidly? It seems like that not only has less aji, but aims at the weakness in White's left a little more.



Connect at which spot? I don't see that I can guarantee a connection by connecting solidly at either place:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 1 O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 3 2 O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O 4 X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 9 O 7 X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 6 5 3 2 O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 O 4 X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 1 O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, with the move in the game, white cannot cut without losing his group himself:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 1 X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 5 3 2 O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O 4 X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 4 X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 5 3 2 O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 1 X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The move in game seems much safer for keeping my stones connected.

Maybe I overlooked something in one of the first two diagrams of this post, but they both seem risky to black imo.
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[go]$$Wcm31
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . 4 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've been criticized for bad peeps in the past, but I think this one helps me more than him.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I kind of like the push and cut. It seems like it has potential to be annoying to white. Is it too small?
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!

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@ChewTerr

I think it's too small. White only needs that one stone if he's trying to kill Black, but right now, white is weaker in the area. So it's a move you only want to play if it's absolutely necessary to secure the life of the black group. I haven't done any serious reading, but I don't think that's the case.
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