Why do KGS admins let the EGR be such a den of stupidity?

[yoyoma]

I don't know if it's like that in the other language rooms - the only other one I frequent is the French room, and not often

So what is is like in the French room?

[John Fairbairn]

As for kibitzes, that's annoying too. There's no way to hide the chat section of the window when you're watching a game,

Faute de mieux you could write a tiny application that consists of just a panel that is told always to stay on top. You then park it over the logorrhoea.

[kirkmc]

I don't know if it's like that in the other language rooms - the only other one I frequent is the French room, and not often

So what is is like in the French room?

People talk about the game. I don't know if they police themselves to keep discussion more focused.

As I look now, there's a discussion of the relation between openings in Go and chess...

And is I look in the EGR, it's the usual afternoon (my time) salon for a small handful of people who thing the EGR is theirs....

[Toge]

Where would the little goblins go if there wasn't any den of stupidity?
Den of stupidity is needed, so that we ivory tower intellectuals can feel better about ourselves.
Don't feel bad about snarling and hissing. Enjoy a game of Go instead.

[xed_over]

Why do they never shut down the stupid, puerile chats that go on there, and try and get people to go to the ECR?

maybe you missed this thread "bigdoug and nyanjilla resign as admins"

[Solomon]

I don't think it's so bad...if it were anything like the "EGR"s of other games, it'd probably look something like this:

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[Bantari]

But, hey, if no one cares, that's life.

I do care, but I do not see a practicable solution. The intellectual level of a bunch of random anonymous people on the internet just is not that great.

There is a practical solution. Many, in fact.

One is to go the way IGS went - and disable chat in EGR. Draconian and ugly, but hey, if that's what people want...

Another, more elegant, is what I suggested long time ago on rgg when the EGR/ECR split was discussed - just add a disable-chat button to the client, make it work per room, and voila - problem solved. Those who want to chat can do so, those who are not interested simply don't even see it. Pretty simplistic, but workable and easily implemented.

You can build up on that and introduce Tabs to rooms, for chatting, announcements, info, whatnot. Then you only see whats in the tab you have up top. Also easily implemented. If you are afraid to scare off newcomers, you can make the Announcement Tab active by default and the Chat Tag hidden. This can be applied to all the rooms, not only EGR - and then there will be no need for such stuff as EGR/ECR weirdness.

If you want to get really fancy, implement filters, like you set that you only see chats from your friends, or from people in certain rank range, or both, or whatever. The possibilities are endless, although this can be more challenging to implement. Filters like that can also be nice to filter the list of players on the right of the screen or color-code chat and so on.

Wms was not interested in any of this at that time, and he had his reasons, I'm sure. Maybe now...

Anyways - there are many simple solutions, the above ideas are just the examples I presented way back when.

[topazg]

I just closed the EGR room from my tabs

[BaghwanB]

I don't think it's so bad...if it were anything like the "EGR"s of other games, it'd probably look something like this:
bubbles000: lol narutoderp A/S/L?

I didn't realize there were Advanced Squad Leader fans on EGR...

Bruce "6+1 Leader" Young

[Loons]

My first day on KGS, there was some unpleasant jeering happening in the EGR. Like Topazg, I just left the room (forever!). Rooms like LGD and The Enclave are very fair-spoken and still quite high population (due to the popular lectures, no doubt).

[zinger]

Hah, this is a funny thread after so many "I was temp banned, wah wah" threads.

Personally, the first thing I do every time I log into KGS is drag the separator bar between the game list and the chat pane all the way down, so I can't see the chat at all. Problem solved

[hyperpape]

I can imagine a few people being turned off of KGS itself, but surely most know that there are few places on the internet that do not suffer from puerile chatter. Blogs that prohibit comments, blogs that very carefully cultivate their commentariat (e.g. TNC at the Atlantic) and specialized discussion boards like L19x19 (and even other such boards are often terrible) are the rare exceptions.

Of course, I'd love to see improvements. But I wonder if you're not losing so many people as you'd expect.

[Stefany93]

Why do they never shut down the stupid, puerile chats that go on there, and try and get people to go to the ECR? Sometimes the admins clamp down on lesser things, but as I look for games in the EGR, the IQ level of the people chatting makes me embarrassed to be there.

You are totaly right. The EGR has become a room of morons and losers. Note that the people usually chatting there are staying at the same rating from 4 - 5 months
Maybe they are trying to cover their failure in Go by talking nonsense and only teasing people. When I see someone chatting in the EGR, I am 99% convinced that this person is not very intelligent.

[judicata]

You are totaly right. The EGR has become a room of morons and losers. Note that the people usually chatting there are staying at the same rating from 4 - 5 months
Maybe they are trying to cover their failure in Go by talking nonsense and only teasing people. When I see someone chatting in the EGR, I am 99% convinced that this person is not very intelligent.

Yeah, I know someone who has been at 1dan for over 7 months. This person obviously fails at go. (for the sarcasm impared - insert sarcasm tags).

[palapiku]

I know someone who's been 9d for years! It's astounding how slow some people can be.