How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
-
RedStick
- Dies with sente
- Posts: 84
- Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:55 am
- Rank: KGS 2k
- GD Posts: 45
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Been thanked: 5 times
How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
I almost always use up more of my time than my opponent. And it often surprises me that people don't utilize the time given (if they want to play a quicker game why not choose appropriate time settings?).
I realize that some people may prefer to play quickly at the beginning to force the oppoenent into time pressure. But I greatly prefer taking my time, strategzing intensely in the first 60-80 moves or so, and reading out potential sequences around the board so that I can respond quickly when their time comes (and I'm normally in byo-yomi).
The only exception to this is when I know byo-yomi will be less than 20sec per move. (preferably i keep it at 30). In that case I will play quicker in the beginning in order to send my opponent into byo-yomi first.
I also would like to test a hypothesis that people who frequent L19x19 play slower than the average player. Since statistically people should fall 50/50.
I realize that some people may prefer to play quickly at the beginning to force the oppoenent into time pressure. But I greatly prefer taking my time, strategzing intensely in the first 60-80 moves or so, and reading out potential sequences around the board so that I can respond quickly when their time comes (and I'm normally in byo-yomi).
The only exception to this is when I know byo-yomi will be less than 20sec per move. (preferably i keep it at 30). In that case I will play quicker in the beginning in order to send my opponent into byo-yomi first.
I also would like to test a hypothesis that people who frequent L19x19 play slower than the average player. Since statistically people should fall 50/50.
Last edited by RedStick on Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:14 am, edited 1 time in total.
-
Kirby
- Honinbo
- Posts: 9553
- Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pm
- GD Posts: 0
- KGS: Kirby
- Tygem: 커비라고해
- Has thanked: 1583 times
- Been thanked: 1707 times
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
RedStick wrote:...
I also would like to test a hypothesis that people who frequent L19x19 play slower than the average player. Since statistically people should fall 50/50.
I'm kind of curious if you came up with this hypothesis for some particular reason. Is it just a random guess?
be immersed
- kirkmc
- Lives in sente
- Posts: 1072
- Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:51 am
- Rank: 5K KGS
- GD Posts: 1165
- KGS: Dogen
- Location: Stratford-upon-Avon, England
- Has thanked: 32 times
- Been thanked: 70 times
- Contact:
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
It depends on the game. If it's a straightforward game with no tough reading, I may use less time, but if there's a lot of reading (such as an L&D problem), or if the game is close (I tend to count several times in a game), I may use more. So I'm not voting. 
My blog about Macs and more: Kirkville
-
RedStick
- Dies with sente
- Posts: 84
- Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:55 am
- Rank: KGS 2k
- GD Posts: 45
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Been thanked: 5 times
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
Kirby wrote:RedStick wrote:...
I also would like to test a hypothesis that people who frequent L19x19 play slower than the average player. Since statistically people should fall 50/50.
I'm kind of curious if you came up with this hypothesis for some particular reason. Is it just a random guess?
Yes. It's pretty much a guess. I probably should have phrased it: "It would be somewhat curious to find if the L19x19 community differs from the 50/50 split that we might assume exists." Although at Kirk points out, many people may not have a "normally".
Edit: I've edited the poll so that people in Kirk's position can vote.
- kirkmc
- Lives in sente
- Posts: 1072
- Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:51 am
- Rank: 5K KGS
- GD Posts: 1165
- KGS: Dogen
- Location: Stratford-upon-Avon, England
- Has thanked: 32 times
- Been thanked: 70 times
- Contact:
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
RedStick wrote:
Edit: I've edited the poll so that people in Kirk's position can vote.
There you go - now I've voted.
My blog about Macs and more: Kirkville
-
rubin427
- Lives in gote
- Posts: 338
- Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:24 pm
- GD Posts: 0
- Location: Las Vegas, NV
- Has thanked: 163 times
- Been thanked: 62 times
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
As per my vote, I typically play slower unless my opponent is significantly weaker than me. For example, six stones or more weaker.
-
Kirby
- Honinbo
- Posts: 9553
- Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pm
- GD Posts: 0
- KGS: Kirby
- Tygem: 커비라고해
- Has thanked: 1583 times
- Been thanked: 1707 times
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
My AGA rank is weaker than my online rank. I can play around 1d KGS and 2d on tygem, but until the last tournament I went to, my AGA rank was around 3k (I think it's 2k, now).
As such, I am too arrogant when I play AGA games IRL. I might be playing against a 4k evenly, and I think, "Posh... I can't lose to him!", and I play very quickly. He threatens to kill my group, and I tenuki.
Sometimes this works, but sometimes I lose to "weaker (???)" players this way.
I really should slow down and think... I guess I have a short temper, as was pointed out elsewhere
As such, I am too arrogant when I play AGA games IRL. I might be playing against a 4k evenly, and I think, "Posh... I can't lose to him!", and I play very quickly. He threatens to kill my group, and I tenuki.
Sometimes this works, but sometimes I lose to "weaker (???)" players this way.
I really should slow down and think... I guess I have a short temper, as was pointed out elsewhere
be immersed
-
Marcus
- Gosei
- Posts: 1387
- Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:51 am
- GD Posts: 209
- KGS: Marcus316
- Has thanked: 139 times
- Been thanked: 111 times
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
I'm in the minority. I play the game for fun, and trust my intuition to get me through rough spots. 
I'm just impatient in general. It means that in a 30 minute +5x30 byo-yomi game on KGG, if it's not a tournament game, I might use 10 minutes total. I'm trying to slow down, but so far I've only succeeded in doing so for games against KGS 1d and above, which I usually lose anyways, but I learn a lot.
Hmmm ... I guess I just don't see the point of agonizing over my moves, trying to find something non-obvious. It's a game, right?
I'm just impatient in general. It means that in a 30 minute +5x30 byo-yomi game on KGG, if it's not a tournament game, I might use 10 minutes total. I'm trying to slow down, but so far I've only succeeded in doing so for games against KGS 1d and above, which I usually lose anyways, but I learn a lot.
Hmmm ... I guess I just don't see the point of agonizing over my moves, trying to find something non-obvious. It's a game, right?
- Solomon
- Gosei
- Posts: 1848
- Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:21 pm
- Rank: AGA 5d
- GD Posts: 0
- KGS: Capsule 4d
- Tygem: 치킨까스 5d
- Location: Bellevue, WA
- Has thanked: 90 times
- Been thanked: 835 times
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
Depends on my opponent and how fast he plays.
Depends on the sort of game we're playing.
Depends on time settings.
Depends on my physical and emotional state.
Depends on the time and day.
Depends on the priority of other things I have to do in queue while I'm playing.
Depends on the sort of game we're playing.
Depends on time settings.
Depends on my physical and emotional state.
Depends on the time and day.
Depends on the priority of other things I have to do in queue while I'm playing.
- Loons
- Gosei
- Posts: 1378
- Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:17 am
- GD Posts: 0
- Location: wHam!lton, Aotearoa
- Has thanked: 253 times
- Been thanked: 105 times
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
I`m normally slower, and I prefer it that way. Moves I make in haste (like "automatic moves") are often not so much moves as regrets. I think time is an important resource, that you should exploit as well as you are able.
- LocoRon
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 292
- Joined: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:04 pm
- Rank: 1 kyu
- GD Posts: 0
- KGS: LocoRon
- Has thanked: 92 times
- Been thanked: 80 times
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
99% of my games are played with a time setting of 30 minutes +5x30 byo-yomi.
If I'm playing an even game, I'll usually still have main time left over at the end of the game, and my pace will be roughly equal to my opponent, except for tough situations; I usually take my time on those.
If I'm playing a stronger opponent, I'll usually play slower and try to think and read deeper than normal. My clock might have noticeably less time than my opponent, even just a few moves in.
If I'm playing a weaker opponent, I'll tend to play a little on the fast side, and not read very deep... until I get slapped for being careless. Then I'll go into kill-em-all mode.
Also, I think my in-person games tend to run longer than my online games.
If I'm playing an even game, I'll usually still have main time left over at the end of the game, and my pace will be roughly equal to my opponent, except for tough situations; I usually take my time on those.
If I'm playing a stronger opponent, I'll usually play slower and try to think and read deeper than normal. My clock might have noticeably less time than my opponent, even just a few moves in.
If I'm playing a weaker opponent, I'll tend to play a little on the fast side, and not read very deep... until I get slapped for being careless. Then I'll go into kill-em-all mode.
Also, I think my in-person games tend to run longer than my online games.
- Chew Terr
- Gosei
- Posts: 2060
- Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:45 pm
- Rank: KGS 3k
- GD Posts: 264
- KGS: Chew
- Location: Texas
- Has thanked: 546 times
- Been thanked: 172 times
- Contact:
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
Maybe one game in ten ends with me in main time. In the rest, I'm in byo-yomi, often my last period. I'm bad at playing quickly, but I'm trying to get better, if only for those byo-yomi times.
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
- Magicwand
- Tengen
- Posts: 4844
- Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:26 am
- Rank: Wbaduk 7D
- GD Posts: 0
- KGS: magicwand
- Tygem: magicwand
- Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
- DGS: magicwand
- OGS: magicwand
- Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
- Has thanked: 62 times
- Been thanked: 504 times
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
i usually play fast..
but if it is a serious game i always enter buyomi before endgame.
i can spend 3 hours if i had that much time to think and it is serious enough for me to win.
but if it is a serious game i always enter buyomi before endgame.
i can spend 3 hours if i had that much time to think and it is serious enough for me to win.
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
-
phrax
- Dies with sente
- Posts: 92
- Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:24 am
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 48 times
- Been thanked: 6 times
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
It depends. If my opponent is even-strength or weaker, I typically play faster than them. If my opponent is stronger, I typically play slower (mostly because I'm watching for their tricks (which I probably can't see anyway)).
- palapiku
- Lives in sente
- Posts: 761
- Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:25 pm
- Rank: the k-word
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 152 times
- Been thanked: 204 times
Re: How quick do you play relative to your opponent?
Magicwand wrote:i can spend 3 hours if i had that much time to think and it is serious enough for me to win.
Like against Kirby?