4. sumiyaka (4k) vs. kex (4k)

kex · Post by **kex** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:53 pm

This game has been adjourned. We'll hopefully continue in the autumn.

sumiyaka · Post by **sumiyaka** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:27 pm

Okay, I'm back to continue what may turn out to be the longest Malkovich game... ever. But it survived a server move, I can't let a little thing like life stand in the way of its completion. Go has taken a bit of a detour in my life recently. I'm still playing through games on Dragon, but at a pretty slow pace. Malkovich moves are a little more costly to make than a move made with the same consideration on Dragon.

I will be moving everynight until the game is done.

That being said, this first move back will have no commentary from me except this open comment... Anything else I look at gets me cut up into ribbons (starting with O9 directly or something else disruptive like O10 for white) or doesn't affect white in any interesting way. If anyone asks I will enumerate the ways in further moves! I'll count again when this fight is over, and as always continue to read out some of the more worrisome spots on the board.

Hmm, I see some improvements to the forum, I will look around, but is anyone using the eido-go plugin to show their Malkovich "thinking"?

Anyway, the move ...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm Move 73, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O B . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

And the song...

Oh, where oh where can my baby be?
The Lord took her away from me
She's gone to heaven, so I got to be good
So I can see my baby when I leave this world.
--Last Kiss

(EDIT: Updated move number )

kex · Post by **kex** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:51 am

It is nice to see sumiyaka return, but... When I looked at the board, I first noticed I had forgotten everything about this game. Now things are returning slowly to my mind, and I see I have to do a lot of reading and judging (I decided not to cheat by looking my old thoughts

).

But that means I'll not be able to move today. I hope I'll be able to do that tomorrow.

sumiyaka · Post by **sumiyaka** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:59 pm

kex wrote:It is nice to see sumiyaka return, but... When I looked at the board, I first noticed I had forgotten everything about this game. Now things are returning slowly to my mind, and I see I have to do a lot of reading and judging (I decided not to cheat by looking my old thoughts ).

But that means I'll not be able to move today. I hope I'll be able to do that tomorrow.

No hurry, but I'll post to keep in the habit

My suggestion for your move... you put down a stone, I put down a stone, and we both try to kill each other like civilized people... ( Yes, I've watched too much Princess Bride in my lifetime )

kex · Post by **kex** » Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:18 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm Move 74, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . W . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

OK. So, perhaps I will not read very deeply now, anyway.

The point is - I may be a bit behind in area. But the white group on the right side will live. And the top corner is white. Black group on the top side is weak, but white cannot attack, because of the weakness of the top white group. So it needs reinforcement. Now - the moves

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm Move 74, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . c . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . b . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . a . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

"A" tries to connect the running groups, but does not actually succeed, methinks. It also tries to seal black in, and does not totally succeed. But it should strengthen the top white group, together with the earlier forcing move.

"B" is a move that threatens to cut black in two. White gets something out of it, so there might be not so many points for black there as it first looks like:

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"C" is one start of an attack towards the black group on the top. That would need a stronger white group on the top, and further consideration: should white seal black in or set black running.

Due to the white stones on the centre, white can probably reduce black on the lower left side pretty well.

So, this move first, then let's see what black will start, as this fight comes to a pause.

sumiyaka · Post by **sumiyaka** » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:13 am

John Henry he could hammah,
He could whistle, he could sing,
He went to the mountain early in the mornin'
To hear his hammah ring (lo' lo'),
To hear his hammah ring (lo').
-- John Henry (Folk Song)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm Move 75, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , B . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

kex · Post by **kex** » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:08 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm Move 76, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . . . W . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

First - black left some aji behind...

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This 3 threatens to cut the black stones, so even if black ataris first, black needs to come back, and choose, to give the stones or to risk a tradeoff with the white stones on the top.

The nasty thing on the white's viewpoint is that the last black move also helps the black group on the top. I think reducing the black framework is the most urgent thing to do, anyway.

I even considered invasion:

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but here, this looks bad

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and so does this

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But this looks a bit better again -

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After this, black no longer has good prospects for expanding towards the top left corner, but on the other hand, the white group on the lower middle becomes a bit weak

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I wonder if something like this would actually work well enough for now...

sumiyaka · Post by **sumiyaka** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:45 pm

Money, it's a gas
Grab that cash with both hands
And make a stash
Money -- Pink Floyd

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kex · Post by **kex** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:15 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm Move 78, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

sumiyaka · Post by **sumiyaka** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:36 pm

Well, I don't know, but I've been told
You never slow down, you never grow old
I'm tired of screwin' up, tired of going down
Tired of myself, tired of this town
-Last Dance with Mary Jane -- Tom Petty [just happens to be what I'm listening to...]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm Move 79, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . . . B . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think my opponent just nabbed the last big point. So I guess
the opening is finished

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm Move 79, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . X . O . a . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . 4 . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . . 2 1 . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X 8 O 3 . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . 6 5 7 . 9 . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

which doesn't seem so nice for black

so maybe

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm Move 79, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . 4 3 . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . . 2 1 . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I chose here instead of point 'a' because I don't think I can contain
the white stone easily. And it becomes an all or nothing scenario.

Doing this, especially option two, should allow me to abandon the
stones and use them from the outside if needed. Or I could keep
extending my group and white needs to think about connecting.

Plus it just feels unexpected, and not completely stupid -- maybe just a little

I think gain white got on the side and my gain on the side keep the
score roughly the
same as the last time I counted.

kex · Post by **kex** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:25 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Move 80, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . W . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move felt pretty weird, so I had to take a break and look around.

Black simply comes too far, and I can cut:

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The thing troubling me with this is that black can cut. I think I can manage, though...

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And then...

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I considered the slower move:

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Because I was worried about the cut. But I did not like that, it feels it forces black to strengthen the corner more.

sumiyaka · Post by **sumiyaka** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:17 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Move 81, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . . B X . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

kex · Post by **kex** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:10 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Move 82, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . W X X . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trigger:

OK. So we are going down this alley. I guess my opponent has his sandbag ready...

I was pondering also something starting like this...

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But this allows black to squeze and secure the side in sente. So it must be dismissed.

And, as I thought before; this should still work

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Move 81, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . 1 B X . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X 2 O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So, I'll just trigger that...

Ouch, another option still:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Move 81, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . W B X . 6 7 X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X B O 2 4 O 9 X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . 3 1 5 8 0 . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

but I think this should also work:

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.. this should reduce to either this or the crane's nest, so white gets out in sente here...

Another check

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This starts to look worse... I think tenuki is not an option, after all. Black gets at least a ko this way...

And yet another version: how about the order of moves?

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... liberties: 4 against 4 - should work for white.

sumiyaka · Post by **sumiyaka** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:22 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Move 85, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . B . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . O X X . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Continuing cut first think later

The following sequence looks not so good. So there must be a something else. I'll jump out and give myself some more fighting options. Perhaps something like below will be workable in the future. Or I die. Either way, its all good.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Move 83, prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . O X X . . . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X X O 1 4 O 7 X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . 2 O 3 5 6 . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

kex · Post by **kex** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:12 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Move 86, prisoners B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . O . O X . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . O O X X O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . W X . . . X O O . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X , . O X X . , . X . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ah. Naturally. This did not come to my mind. As I thought in the previous move, the connection on the lower side is weakish, and depends on the lack of liberties on the black group. This move adds those liberties while threatening to weaken the white group on the left of it. I need to strengthen the white stones there while keeping the white stones on the side safe.

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or

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... this kind of thing starts to look pretty bad. So I need to stop black getting the bamboo joint, I think:

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or something like this:

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... leading to white having more liberties.

What is to consider:

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cuts the marked white stone off. Perhaps I can find something, though

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