Batoo(-kovich) #3: Zwergesel vs. freegame

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Re: Batoo(-kovich) #3: Zwergesel vs. freegame

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:4, W:15
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X W X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

as previously explained...
(keeping my fingers crossed, and hope he falls for the trick)
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Re: Batoo(-kovich) #3: Zwergesel vs. freegame

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:5, W:15
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O . B O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


I guess his hidden move is somewhere around here, at a or b maybe, or at the point that I just played.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:4, W:15
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . a . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X b . . |
$$ | X O X X O . B O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

I don't know, but I don't think wasting a scan here will help. If he captures one stone now, I'm not in big trouble as far as I can see. He'll ruin some of my corner territory, but that's okay as a trade for revealing his hidden stone. He'll have to play on the minus zone too...
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Re: Batoo(-kovich) #3: Zwergesel vs. freegame

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:5, W:16
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O . X O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . W . . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


:-( too bad. now i need to defend this stone to avoid giving away a ponuki in the center
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Re: Batoo(-kovich) #3: Zwergesel vs. freegame

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Wow, it's been almost a month since my last move.
Sorry that I let you wait again.
Lately I haven't really been in the mood for playing Go for some reason. :-?

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:6, W:16
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O . X O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . O B . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Re: Batoo(-kovich) #3: Zwergesel vs. freegame

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:6, W:17
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . W . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O . X O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


I don't really know what was going on. but extending here seems very big.
it creates a lot of aji.

expected variation:
If black does not play 1 I can safe my two stones at the top which is big.
after 4 there is a lot of aji in the corner and black most likely has to play something like 5

this way I get sente to play on the bottom
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:6, W:17
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . W 3 . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X m 5 . |
$$ | X O X X O 7 X O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . 1 O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , 6 2 4 . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Re: Batoo(-kovich) #3: Zwergesel vs. freegame

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:7, W:17
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . O B . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O . X O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


I don't know where his hidden stone is and if I weren't behind I would have used a scan now to check J10. Because that would really hurt my group. But since J10 seems like a weird place for his hidden stone, I'm just going to play naturally and wait for his response.

I might try to play this sequence:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Score - B:7, W:17
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . O B . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O 5 X O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . 3 O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . 4 . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Re: Batoo(-kovich) #3: Zwergesel vs. freegame

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:7, W:18
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O . X O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . W O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


this might be slightly better for black then my previous thought

now I expect the following:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:7, W:17
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O 1 X O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O a W O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . 2 3 p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

the right plus point would be sente now for me and when
the liberty at a is gone the top plus point is sente too

My hidden move is still in the game so that might be interesting.
So fas however, black is playing like it is not there at all :sad:
I had hoped he would play more cautiously.
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Re: Batoo(-kovich) #3: Zwergesel vs. freegame

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:8, W:18
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O . X O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . B . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:7, W:19
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O W . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


capturing this seems huge. Now the top plus point is sente for me as well.
I'm quite confident now that I will win this game.
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Re: Batoo(-kovich) #3: Zwergesel vs. freegame

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:8, W:19
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . B . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


Risky, but I don't want to waste points. If I capture the two stones now, because I'm afraid of his hidden move, then I will lose by a few points according to my count.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:8, W:25
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


wow. I expected him to play the top plus point. that would get him 5 extra points and I would not be able to play H11 endgame anymore. the difference would be around 13 points. I do not think the move he made now is 13 points. As a bonus I also get to keep sente. If he ignores yet again his whole corner dies.

the score is 8-25 so far. black needs to win by more than 17 points on the board now. That looks very very hard.

assuming he does defend now, I expect the following:
I have the option to play at a now. forcing him to play the minus zone, or lose some stones.
I can also exploit my hidden move,
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:8, W:25
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . 1 . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X a . . |
$$ | . X X . X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Re: Batoo(-kovich) #3: Zwergesel vs. freegame

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:9, W:23
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . B . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


Gotta capture now or else:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Score - B:9, W:23
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . 1 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X W X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X W X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:9, W:24
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . B . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . W X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


I decided to leave the top right for now, and first see what I can do in the bottom right.

after the the risk of my hidden move being discovered is getting bigger and bigger, but I hope to be able to get an advantage with it and avoid having to give black the whole bottom right of the board.
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Re: Batoo(-kovich) #3: Zwergesel vs. freegame

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:10, W:24
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X B . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


Naturally! Although I'm still wondering where his hidden move might be...
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:10, W:25
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X O X m . . |
$$ | X O X X O O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . . . p |
$$ | O . . . O . . W X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X X . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


Game Over
My hidden move is at the marked place.
Even if he does know, he can't safe the game anymore.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:10, W:25
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X O X m 6 . |
$$ | X O X X O O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | X O . O O , . . 2 4 p |
$$ | O . . . O . . W X 3 . |
$$ | . O . O . . O X P 5 . |
$$ | . . O O . X X 1 m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

This way the top dies. If he wants to safe the top, the bottom will die.
Even if he uses his hidden move in a miraculous way and manages to get everything alive, he will be left with only a few points. Being behind already this will just give white the victory with a little less points than if one of the black groups dies.


I expect a resignation soon.

after that rather arrogant "analysis" in the other hide tag I really hope that I did not overlook something stupid. (would not be the first time that happened) :lol:
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