61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Zwergesel · Post by **Zwergesel** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:49 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O . X O 5 . X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=2, B=3 $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X 6 . 9 . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O 5 X O 1 8 X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O 2 O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O X 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think I can get out and then his stones are cut off in an area that is dominated by white stones. I should be able to make some profit from that.

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More peaceful variation with potential for a ko, but I can get profit without the ko too.

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:41 am

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Zwergesel · Post by **Zwergesel** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:40 am

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Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:54 am

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Zwergesel · Post by **Zwergesel** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:38 pm

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:51 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O 2 . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:02 pm

Redundant:

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:12 pm

Loons:

Zwergesel · Post by **Zwergesel** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:25 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . 3 . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Can he live with these stones? I hope not! Anyway, I want to take care of my three weak stones first, because the more moves he gets on the left, the more trouble he can cause to them:

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An attack of some sorts is forming.

Since I think that his last move doesn't need a local answer immediately, the one-point jump from my weak stones feels like the best response possible. If he hanes next, I can still extend.

Let's do a quick count:

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Assuming I can catch his group I count around 100 points + komi for white and around 90 for black, so if I win this fight I'm ahead by around 15+ points. I estimate this fight to be worth around 30-35 points, maybe more, so it's really crucial to kill these stones now.

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:38 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm98 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Zwergesel · Post by **Zwergesel** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:05 am

Time flies like an arrow.
I can't believe it has already been 17 days since my last move here :shock:

Sorry once again! (And probably not for the last time either

)

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Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:47 pm

I'm gonna go with a resign here. I played too slowly in the fuseki, and botched the bottom right corner a bit. I don't feel like I'll be able to live happily here.

Thanks for the game! If you ever want another, I'm up for it.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:41 pm

i dont think black is losing.
it is pretty hard to cleanly kill black group so i am thinking black is ahead.

my 2 cents:
one way to get stronger is not to give up too early.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:23 pm

Redundant wrote:I'm gonna go with a resign here. ...

What???? You are resigning???????

This is still a wide open game. White has all of his eggs in one basket. If I were offered the opportunity to play either side, I think I would choose black. If you can invade white's central area, he loses.

Plead temporary insanity, retract your resignation, and play L8. ( Moves like L6 and G14 are interesting also )

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:54 am

The big issue for me with this game is motivation. For some reason, I don't have much gumption to work out variations and find new moves.

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