Pretty cool endgame problem

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Subproblem solution

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gonuts solved the subproblem. :)



White gets one point more in this variation than in the main variation. :)
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Subproblem 2

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What is White's play after :b3: in the variation?
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Re: Pretty cool endgame problem

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Endgames are the worst part of my game, except for joseki, fuseki, middle game, yose, and tsumego. But here goes an attempt to answer Bill's last question anyway...

[sgf-full](;
AB[aj][bj][cj][ck][dl][dm][dn][do][cp][bp][an][aq]
AW[bk][bl][cl][cm][cn][co][bo][dp][dq][br][ap]
(;
W[am]
C[May be best, but depends on the rest of the board?];
B[ak];W[bn];B[al]
C[Black ends in sente.]
)
(;
W[ao]
C[Another possibility.];
B[al]
C[White loses 3 points relative to the main line, and later loses 2 more points capturing the A3 stone. But Black ends in gote.

So this line would be better for White, given at least a 5 point play elsewhere.]
)
)[/sgf-full]
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Re: Pretty cool endgame problem

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gonuts has solved this subproblem too. :)

I have added some comments to his SGF file.



And that means that, along with his earlier work, gonuts has solved the original problem, as well. :) Correct play for Black in it is the atari at A-03, which yields this subproblem.

The end result is the same as in the main line in Gokyo Seimyo, so I did not find an improvement. And that line is cool for both players. However, I thought that the atari (A-03) was pretty cool. The cut (A-05), while it looks natural, loses a dame and, hence, 1 point by comparison. :)
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Re: Pretty cool endgame problem

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[sgf-full](;AP[another subproblem]CA[ISO8859-1]ST[2]FF[4]SZ[19]GM[1]PB[ ]AB[aj][bj][cj][ck][dl][dm][dn][do][cp][bp]FG[259:]AW[bk][bl][cl][cm][cn][co][bo][dp][dq][br]PW[ ]PM[2]GN[ ]
;B[an]
(;W[am]))[/sgf-full]

What happens here?
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Re: Pretty cool endgame problem

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Harleqin wrote:

What happens here?




This :w2: also gives the same result as the main line. :)
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