80. Antone(7k) vs Hazushi(7k) Open Malkovich

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Re: 80. Antone(7k) vs Hazushi(7k) Open Malkovich

Post by Redundant »

:shock:

If it's before move 150 (or some other really large number), and you're playing on the first line, you're doing it wrong.


This advice is not correct in 100% of cases.
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Re: 80. Antone(7k) vs Hazushi(7k) Open Malkovich

Post by Hazushi »

Redundant wrote:
:shock:

If it's before move 150 (or some other really large number), and you're playing on the first line, you're doing it wrong.This advice is not correct in 100% of cases.


Not to say your wrong I could have also played at ...
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Which I saw after I made my move but I was looking at
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A large mass of nothing usefull. Quite obviously I made my move quickly without much thought I had my hands full at the time.
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Re: 80. Antone(7k) vs Hazushi(7k) Open Malkovich

Post by Magicwand »

Redundant wrote:
:shock:

If it's before move 150 (or some other really large number), and you're playing on the first line, you're doing it wrong.


This advice is not correct in 100% of cases.

i am thinking tenuki is a correct response :)
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Re: 80. Antone(7k) vs Hazushi(7k) Open Malkovich

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Hazushi wrote:
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A large mass of nothing usefull. Quite obviously I made my move quickly without much thought I had my hands full at the time.


I was expecting tenuki, or if at all locally Q9 or Q10, this way it becomes:

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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 2 6 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X 4 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O 8 |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It would leave a sente sequence for white that makes a couple points later, but black is alive for sure.
Now I have to think about where to play...
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Re: 80. Antone(7k) vs Hazushi(7k) Open Malkovich

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Comments for Hazushi (and others, OC):
Hazushi wrote:
Redundant wrote::shock:

If it's before move 150 (or some other really large number), and you're playing on the first line, you're doing it wrong.This advice is not correct in 100% of cases.


Not to say your wrong I could have also played at ...
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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Like the move of the game, this is much too overconcentrated. You already have a stone at R7, so adding another stone is extremely inefficient. What's the worst he can do? The sequence below?
Hazushi wrote:Which I saw after I made my move but I was looking at
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A large mass of nothing usefull. Quite obviously I made my move quickly without much thought I had my hands full at the time.


:b1: above is bad, but the sequence that you show for white is even worse. It's gote and establishes virtually nothing except gaining a few endgame points.

Take-Home-Lesson ;): before the endgame, anything less than 20 points in gote is no good unless it is urgent! Now when is a move urgent? There are many examples, but for instance: a move can be urgent if it helps in attack and defense (eg. stabilising/connecting your groups or attacking/cutting his), or if it builds influence, or moyo, or invades his moyo.

Now I would love to give some examples based on this position, but I don't want to affect the game...
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Re: 80. Antone(7k) vs Hazushi(7k) Open Malkovich

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Here's what I'm thinking:

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Even if black jumps to :b1: A is still a weak point. If he ignores then I can hassle the top group and either do a lot of damage there or at least gain enough strength to do something serious around B

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This way is still good for me I think, but I might reconsider the exact spot for :w4:

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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Other big points are the usual C D and E, I could have played any of those first and waited patiently for a good opportunity but decided to be a bit more aggressive
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Re: 80. Antone(7k) vs Hazushi(7k) Open Malkovich

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ill be back with some ideas later I am busy at the moment.
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Re: 80. Antone(7k) vs Hazushi(7k) Open Malkovich

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is practically forced, otherwise black plays P15 and ruins my shape in the corner. I also considered playing P15 myself so that Black does not have a peep at P14, but it looks too passive.
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Re: 80. Antone(7k) vs Hazushi(7k) Open Malkovich

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thought
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 1 O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 80. Antone(7k) vs Hazushi(7k) Open Malkovich

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Re: 80. Antone(7k) vs Hazushi(7k) Open Malkovich

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Here is a good thing to think about. I think a lot of players seem to not know where to play when they run to the center.

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . e . . . a O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . c b . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's handle the top group.

I've highlighted the moves that I think are the most obvious choices here. Let's look at them systematically from worst to best(in my opinion).

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . W . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 2 1 3 . . a O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . c b . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Clearly, this is helping white too much. The top left looks very good for white.

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . W . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . e . . . a O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . c b . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


While this move gets black out very far, it doesn't put as much pressure on white on the top side, and on top of that, there is quite a bit of cutting aji that can be utilized later.

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . W . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . 1 O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 . 3 2 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The problem with this move is that is needlessly strengthens the top right white stones, which can allow White to aim at the weakness at a.

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . W . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . a . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This lets black get out, but there's a bit of aji left remaining at the A and B spots, which is why I would personally prefer:

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This play. But that's just me.
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