Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post Reply
User avatar
daniel_the_smith
Gosei
Posts: 2116
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:51 am
Rank: 2d AGA
GD Posts: 1193
KGS: lavalamp
Tygem: imapenguin
IGS: lavalamp
OGS: daniel_the_smith
Location: Silicon Valley
Has thanked: 152 times
Been thanked: 330 times
Contact:
Contact daniel_the_smith

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by daniel_the_smith »

I'm ok with that.

OK, I think I see it now. I guess Violence wasn't joking in the thread where he said white could resign. I don't see how white can win once we have a solid quarter+ of the board. No way can white make his entire area into actual points, which they would have to to have a chance of equalizing.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 5 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 2 . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X 1 . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The other hane doesn't work, btw...


White can't win this way either.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 3 . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X 1 . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



...I haven't extensively read alternatives to :W2: in Joaz's diagram. Maybe ShapeNaji will come up with something. It'd be kinda disappointing for this game to come to a sudden end...
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
--
My (sadly neglected, but not forgotten) project: http://dailyjoseki.com
Top
User avatar
shapenaji
Lives in sente
Posts: 1103
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:58 pm
Rank: EGF 4d
GD Posts: 952
Location: Netherlands
Has thanked: 407 times
Been thanked: 422 times

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by shapenaji »

Not Approved

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move 111 W52 B53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X W . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Does the prisoner count look right?
For the Aforementioned reasons
Tactics yes, Tact no...
Top
User avatar
Joaz Banbeck
Judan
Posts: 5546
Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:30 am
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
Location: Banbeck Vale
Has thanked: 1080 times
Been thanked: 1434 times

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by Joaz Banbeck »

To observers:
Ahhhhh...if you know that it has to be there you can find it. We have to play S15 at just the right time. It buys us a fourth liberty or a ko that black must win 3 times.


EDIT:
...maybe twice.


EDIT2:
It is a ko that they can't afford to lose. If they lose it, we capture their center group also. This is too good to be true. I must go back and read more.


EDIT3:
It looks real. I think they are doomed.
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
User avatar
shapenaji
Lives in sente
Posts: 1103
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:58 pm
Rank: EGF 4d
GD Posts: 952
Location: Netherlands
Has thanked: 407 times
Been thanked: 422 times

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by shapenaji »

Image
Tactics yes, Tact no...
Top
User avatar
Joaz Banbeck
Judan
Posts: 5546
Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:30 am
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
Location: Banbeck Vale
Has thanked: 1080 times
Been thanked: 1434 times

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by Joaz Banbeck »

For observers:
The best that black can do on the right side is to get four liberties, like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 4 . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X W . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 2 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And if black tries a straightforward liberties race of white right side group vs black right side group, we win:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 1 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 2 . 4 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O 3 |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 5 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If black tries a liberties race of his right side group against our upper group, we have a trick to get an extra liberty:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . 2 1 . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . 3 O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X a . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O c X O 4 b |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black must play both 'a' and 'b' before playing 'c'. We play one move at :w4: which requires that they play two moves. :twisted: This gives us an extra liberty.

So it continues like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . a O X b . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X c X O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X 2 O O X 1 . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X d O O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...where black has four possibilities ( 'a' - 'd' )

    Possibility 'a' looks like this:

    Click Here To Show Diagram Code
    [go]$$Bc
    $$ ---------------------------------------
    $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . 1 O X 4 . . . |
    $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X 2 C O X X . . |
    $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O C O O O X X . |
    $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 3 O O . X O O . |
    $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
    $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
    $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
    $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


    Click Here To Show Diagram Code
    [go]$$Bc
    $$ ---------------------------------------
    $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 4 . . . . |
    $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . 3 X O X O . . . |
    $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X O 2 O X X . . |
    $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O 1 O O O X X . |
    $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O . X O O . |
    $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
    $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
    $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
    $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

    ...and we are ahead 5 liberties to 4.

    Possibility 'b' looks like this:

    Click Here To Show Diagram Code
    [go]$$Bc
    $$ ---------------------------------------
    $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O X 1 . . . |
    $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X 2 C O X X . . |
    $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O C O O O X X . |
    $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O O . |
    $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
    $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
    $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
    $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


    Click Here To Show Diagram Code
    [go]$$Bc
    $$ ---------------------------------------
    $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . 1 . O X X . . . |
    $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X O . O X X . . |
    $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . |
    $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O O . |
    $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
    $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
    $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
    $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

    ...and we are ahead 6 to 4.

    Possibility 'c' looks like this:

    Click Here To Show Diagram Code
    [go]$$Bc
    $$ ---------------------------------------
    $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . 6 3 4 . . . |
    $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O X 2 . . . |
    $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X 1 X O X X . . |
    $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X O O O X X . |
    $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O O 5 |
    $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
    $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
    $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
    $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


    Click Here To Show Diagram Code
    [go]$$Bc move 6 fills
    $$ ---------------------------------------
    $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . O 4 O . . . |
    $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O 1 O . . . |
    $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X X X O X X . . |
    $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X O O O X X . |
    $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 3 O O 5 X . . X |
    $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
    $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 2 . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
    $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
    $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

    ...and we are ahead 3 to 4 liberties.

    Possibility 'd' is the most interesting, and looks like this:

    Click Here To Show Diagram Code
    [go]$$Bc
    $$ ---------------------------------------
    $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . 4 . O X 3 . . . |
    $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X 2 X O X X . . |
    $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X O O O X X . |
    $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 1 O O . X O O . |
    $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
    $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
    $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
    $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



    Click Here To Show Diagram Code
    [go]$$Bc
    $$ ---------------------------------------
    $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X X O O . O X . . 1 O . O X X . . . |
    $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X O . O X X . . |
    $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X . X O O O X X . |
    $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O . X O O 3 |
    $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
    $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 2 . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
    $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
    $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O 4 . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


    Click Here To Show Diagram Code
    [go]$$Bc
    $$ ---------------------------------------
    $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X X O O . O X . . X O . O X X . . . |
    $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X O . O X X . . |
    $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X 2 C O O O X X . |
    $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O 1 X . . X |
    $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
    $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . . |
    $$ | . 3 O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
    $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
    $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

    ...and this is the ko that black cannot afford to lose.

    Click Here To Show Diagram Code
    [go]$$Wc
    $$ ---------------------------------------
    $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X X O O . O Z . 3 X O . O X X . . . |
    $$ | . X O O . O Z Z . . 1 C O . O X X . . |
    $$ | . X X O O X O Z . Z Z O . O O O X X . |
    $$ | X X O X . X O O Z O Z Z O O X X . . X |
    $$ | . O O X . . . O . O Z O O X X X X X . |
    $$ | . . O X . . X . O . Z O X O O O O O . |
    $$ | . 2 O X . . . . O Z Z O X X X X O . . |
    $$ | . X O X . . . . O . Z Z O O X X O O . |
    $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
    $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

    ...so instead black must defend like this:

    Click Here To Show Diagram Code
    [go]$$Bc
    $$ ---------------------------------------
    $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X X O O . O X . . X O . O X X . . . |
    $$ | . X O O . O X X . . 3 X O . O X X . . |
    $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X 2 . O O O X X . |
    $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O 1 X . . X |
    $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
    $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
    $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
    $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X 4 |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

    ...and white is ahead 2 liberties to one.


Addendum:
Black can try to get a ko on the right:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 1 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 2 . 4 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O 3 |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 5 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 7 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...but white does not bite:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O 2 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 1 |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O 3 |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O X |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So maybe black does best to try to get a ko like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 4 . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X W . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 2 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X 9 . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O 8 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 1 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 2 . 4 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O 3 |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X 7 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...and eventually white will have to win the ko at T6/T7. White only has to win it once. Black has to win it 7 times.
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
User avatar
Gresil
Lives with ko
Posts: 206
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:03 pm
Rank: mid-SDK
GD Posts: 495
KGS: Gresil
Location: Finland
Has thanked: 29 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by Gresil »

The move number is wrong. White's last move can't have been 111.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move 11? W52 B53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O B . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's not like there's a choice.
So you've got an eye?
That don't impress me much
Top
Violence
Lives in sente
Posts: 754
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:12 am
Rank: Something Dan
GD Posts: 720
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 144 times

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by Violence »

So many comments... I think Joaz thinks he has it in the bag, but I think Shapenaji will know better.

After extensive reading, I think we're going to end up slightly behind after this move, but depending on how many times we need to change moves, it'll still be a game.

So I retract my previous declaration of victory.

But I don't think this game is by any means over.
Top
User avatar
daniel_the_smith
Gosei
Posts: 2116
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:51 am
Rank: 2d AGA
GD Posts: 1193
KGS: lavalamp
Tygem: imapenguin
IGS: lavalamp
OGS: daniel_the_smith
Location: Silicon Valley
Has thanked: 152 times
Been thanked: 330 times
Contact:
Contact daniel_the_smith

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by daniel_the_smith »

Approved, of course.
If white does this it looks like smooth sailing for us:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move 11? W52 B53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O B 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


We also get too many liberties if white does this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move 11? W52 B53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 3 . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O B 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 1 4 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And this seems to work for us also:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move 11? W52 B53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 4 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O B 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 1 3 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White either has something good up their sleeve or in their pipe...

All diagrams seem terrible for white but I guess they will choose from the first two.
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
--
My (sadly neglected, but not forgotten) project: http://dailyjoseki.com
Top
Violence
Lives in sente
Posts: 754
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:12 am
Rank: Something Dan
GD Posts: 720
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 144 times

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by Violence »

Approved.
Top
User avatar
Chew Terr
Gosei
Posts: 2060
Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:45 pm
Rank: KGS 3k
GD Posts: 264
KGS: Chew
Location: Texas
Has thanked: 546 times
Been thanked: 172 times
Contact:
Contact Chew Terr

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by Chew Terr »

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move 11?+1 W52 B53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Looking at a few options:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move 11?+1 W52 B53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X B 1 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 3 . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move 11?+1 W52 B53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X B 1 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 2 . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move 11?+1 W52 B53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 1 . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X B . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay, here's what I think: The second option just won't happen. The first option looks better than the third, so our opponents will pick the third. It looks similar to my recent diagrams, only with slightly more cutting points. A little concerning, but I see no better move. From a metagame perspective: this fight is for the game. Regardless of how many corrections are required, whoever wins the fight wins the game. As Joaz and Shape have not resigned yet, they have read out either 1) a solution or 2) enough opportunity to give hope. Shape is one of the best people at reading on the forum, so if he's confident enough to carry on, I'll pick the best move I see and soldier on.
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
Top
User avatar
Joaz Banbeck
Judan
Posts: 5546
Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:30 am
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
Location: Banbeck Vale
Has thanked: 1080 times
Been thanked: 1434 times

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by Joaz Banbeck »

Approved.

Gresil wrote:The move number is wrong. White's last move can't have been 111.


I believe that I am now approving move 116.
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
User avatar
shapenaji
Lives in sente
Posts: 1103
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:58 pm
Rank: EGF 4d
GD Posts: 952
Location: Netherlands
Has thanked: 407 times
Been thanked: 422 times

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by shapenaji »

Approved.

(no idea regarding the move numbering, but I trust Joaz)
Tactics yes, Tact no...
Top
User avatar
Gresil
Lives with ko
Posts: 206
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:03 pm
Rank: mid-SDK
GD Posts: 495
KGS: Gresil
Location: Finland
Has thanked: 29 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by Gresil »

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Move 117 W52 B53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X B . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I very nearly played R12...

Image
So you've got an eye?
That don't impress me much
Top
User avatar
daniel_the_smith
Gosei
Posts: 2116
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:51 am
Rank: 2d AGA
GD Posts: 1193
KGS: lavalamp
Tygem: imapenguin
IGS: lavalamp
OGS: daniel_the_smith
Location: Silicon Valley
Has thanked: 152 times
Been thanked: 330 times
Contact:
Contact daniel_the_smith

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by daniel_the_smith »

Approved.

I still expect the sequence in my last post, still not sure how white will salvage this.
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
--
My (sadly neglected, but not forgotten) project: http://dailyjoseki.com
Top
Violence
Lives in sente
Posts: 754
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:12 am
Rank: Something Dan
GD Posts: 720
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 144 times

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Post by Violence »

Approved.
Top
Post Reply

Return to “Big Brother Malkovich games”