Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

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gaius wrote:@Joaz Banbeck:
I'm not sure if I agree with you. Black has a rather nice tesuji now:
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[go]$$Bc black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 4 1 . 5 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 3 X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This kills white's eye-space rather effectively - it gets reduced to only a half eye, and all of black's weaknesses are gone. Let's hope Kirby spots it :)

@Gaius:
I was assuming this:
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[go]$$Bc black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...which I think leads to a ko. :-?
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
gaius wrote:@Joaz Banbeck:
I'm not sure if I agree with you. Black has a rather nice tesuji now:
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[go]$$Bc black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 4 1 . 5 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 3 X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This kills white's eye-space rather effectively - it gets reduced to only a half eye, and all of black's weaknesses are gone. Let's hope Kirby spots it :)

@Gaius:
I was assuming this:
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[go]$$Bc black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...which I think leads to a ko. :-?


Where is a ko?
Where is the problem? Black seems fine to me.
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[go]$$Bc black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 1 2 . P X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O 4 X P b X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X Q . X 6 X a O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X Q Q Q X 9 7 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . Q . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After :b9: neither White A nor B work, W loses stones and is separated.


Kirby wrote:
If I were Magicwand, I might consider playing here:
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[go]$$Wcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That tesuji springs to mind.
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Eventually it serves the separation of the black center stones.
However Black is safe at the edge and the center stones still have a reasonable flexible shape.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 7 . O X X . |
$$ | . . h . . . . . . O X b 8 X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O a X 5 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X 1 2 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . f d c O . X . 3 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . g . . . e . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . i . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . C . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The move-pairs :w5: - :b6: + :w7: - :b8: are just shown for explanation.

White separates with A and Black defends against the double-atari with B.
White could be interested to widen influence by c - d - e or play a
non-strengthening influence move at :ec: .

If B plays keima G, then W could invade @ H or vice versa.

MagicWand would undoubtely find other - very convincing & winning - solutions.
Greetings,
Tommie

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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I feel like white's last move gives me a few choices. Of course, I want to separate white. If he connects the two groups below, he is a lot more comfortable:

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[go]$$Wcm81 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X W . X W . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X W . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X W W W X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But there is also the weakness from earlier:
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[go]$$Wcm81 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'd like to deal with this weakness. If I do so directly, then it's very easy for white, and I don't have much of a base:
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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O . X 1 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's hard to block, then:
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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . 3 2 . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O 6 X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X X O . X 1 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And white is very comfortable. So I want to find a better way to defend that weakness. The reason I want to play :b1:, above, is to give myself a base. I run into problems later, since I cannot play :b3:, above, and it is very easy on white. So maybe I can switch the order around and play :b3:, first.

Unfortunately, I think that I'll still get cut this way, as before, but I will try my best to fight:

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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The :w2:, above, is pretty severe on me. I do not see how I can avoid getting cut, unless I want ko. For example:

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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . 5 O B B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . B O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O 3 X 4 B . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It would be a pity to put the marked black stones, above, at risk of being lost by ko.

Alternatively:

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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O 5 X a X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X 2 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . B 6 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Above, I would like to strengthen the marked black stones after :w6:. My first concern with this is white's possible play at "a", above. But this would be OK:

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[go]$$Wcm1 (after strengthening the marked stones & such)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 2 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O 4 X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O X X 1 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O X 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . B O O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . B . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Unfortunately, though, white might not play that way. He can also play like this if I choose to strengthen the marked stones, above:


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[go]$$Wcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 3 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O 5 X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O X X 4 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X O O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



So I think I'm going to have to bite the bullet and let my stones get cut. Since that's the case, I want to switch my connection move around to get a sequence like this:
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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . 5 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O 6 X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X 2 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X 7 3 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I will be in danger with the marked stones:
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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O B O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . B B B O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B . B O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



But he's not totally out of the woods, either... :rambo:
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Looking back at the diagrams I wrote, I'm wondering if this one is so bad:
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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . 5 O B B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . B O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O 3 X 4 B . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It might be better than the last diagram I wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O B O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . B B B O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B . B O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I will decide more firmly on which situation I want to pursue if Magicwand chooses this road.


Particularly since N8 is somewhat sente in the latter diagram...


Then again, maybe the first diagram is better...
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[go]$$Wcm91 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 2 X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i am sure my opponent is aware of this move..but does he know the result?
because it is very complicated i dont even know what will happen..
one thing for sure i will cut and make it complicated.
i will not read any further until he makes his move..(pointless to read not knowing what he will play)
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[go]$$Wcm91 Captured Stones: 6 :white:, 4 :black:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . 6 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O 7 X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X 8 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let me know if you disagree with any of these moves.

I guess the time has come for me to decide which path I want to take. And I have chosen.


You can change the captured stone format back if you want, Magicwand. I modified it here just to show off.
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[go]$$Wcm91 Captured Stones: :white: :6 :black: :4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O 9 . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i like captured stone :)
i will go for the kill. i am not 100% sure but i think black is dead.
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[go]$$Wcm91 Captured Stones: :white:: 6, :black:: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O 0 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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The only problem with the captured stones is the copy-and-paste (it's more difficult). Maybe this can be fixed...
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[go]$$Wcm101 Captured Stones: black 6, white 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . 1 X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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The situation is delicate, but I think that I feel a path for black.
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[go]$$Wcm101 Captured Stones: black 6, white 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . |
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Here we go... I feel like I'm at the peak of a roller-coaster.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

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I tried to read that situation, and I got to the conclusion that M10 would have been the move for Kirby. Others?

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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

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If only Magicwand had played the N8 exchange, then I think there's nothing Kirby can do here. As it stands, I think Kirby's ok. However, I think White will gain in the following exchanges and end in sente.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Post by Kirby »

I would like to say that this is a very interesting game for me so far. I was a little disappointed that neither winning nor losing would bring pleasure after what happened in the bottom right corner, but now I feel the opposite.

Whether I win or lose, this game has been a lot of fun so far.
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