98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Post by fwiffo »

That's a move I really need to remember. It's so automatic for someone of my level to just block at S6 - after all, all the cuts are protected. I'm reminded of this funny joseki:

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[go]$$Bm1
$$ ------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ . . . . . 7 5 . . |
$$ . . . . 6 3 2 8 . |
$$ . . . . 9 4 . . . |
$$ . . . . . 0 . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Bm11
$$ ------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . X X 4 . |
$$ . . . 1 O X O O . |
$$ . . . 3 X O . . . |
$$ . . . . 2 O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

I understand :b15: after its explained to me, but it feel weird and unnatural.

[edit]GARR! Why do I always do that? I bumped magicwand's move onto the previous page - Araban, it's your move in case you missed it.[/edit]
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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for ob:
my persepective on aji:

bad: waste of aji.
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[go]$$Wcm42 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O 1 . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

good: i can not waste that aji on few point.
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 7 6 9 . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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daniel_the_smith wrote:@Araban
I think a move that's sente for both is called "double sente"...


(you can read this to verify, Araban)
I think what Araban is saying that even though MW will have to take gote here, MW has to play the move to deny Araban a big sente move. In which case he's using "reverse sente" right.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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This game is awesome.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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fwiffo wrote:
This game is awesome.


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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Magicwand says some things that I consider dubious, and undoubtedly has his quirks, but at times like this I think his strength and experience are very very impressive. On reflection his points about aji seem obvious (and strong!), but I doubt I would have not played the aji-keshi move in the game.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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amnal wrote:
Magicwand says some things that I consider dubious, and undoubtedly has his quirks, but at times like this I think his strength and experience are very very impressive. On reflection his points about aji seem obvious (and strong!), but I doubt I would have not played the aji-keshi move in the game.


I was thinking exactly the same thing. I was considering omitting that move on the right a mistake until I saw what magicwand had in mind. Then I felt rather foolish for not seeing it ... that sort of thing should be obvious somehow
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Magicwand:

I really really liked your last move and explanations. Please keep them coming.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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I feel pretty good because I was thinking that magicwand should play that way in reply to araban's push. I was thinking that his push was dubious. Not that he couldn't wipe the floor with me, but when I was around a 7 kyu my 1dan friend showed me that move instead of blocking and pointed out that it doesn't have the shape flaw of allowing a peep and clamping does.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Post by Violence »

Mmm...

We are approaching the part of the game where Solch is at his strongest, imo.

I feel like the real show is going to begin soon.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 5 . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It was mostly a debate between :b5: and one stone above; seeing how the situation at the bottom didn't turn out very well, I need to push to the limit.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Post by Solomon »

Just thought I'd do some reviewing over the first 45 moves, brief thoughts:

[Chew as Mod]Edited to fix sgf-full tag[/mod]
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Post by Kirby »

Violence wrote:
Mmm...

We are approaching the part of the game where Solch is at his strongest, imo.

...


Do you simply mean the "middle game", or something more specific?
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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for obs:
if he gives me corner life aji then i will play slow and that is enough.
i think 47 below is correct response for black. (what do i know..i am only 4 dan)
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . 8 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if he gives me hanne then i will use that to attack his lonely stone.
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . 8 7 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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