95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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Tommie wrote:

(...)


Who understands move W60, resp. B61 of the second game,
Kim_Hyo-kon--An_Yeong-kil.sgf?



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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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Thanks, Amnal :bow: , I'm becoming weaker.
I was aware of the aji, yet not immediatly.
----> weak :scratch:
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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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[go]$$Wcm32 Captured Stones: W 0 B 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Something has been bugging me the entire game it has tempted me to resign

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[go]$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this was what aphelion posted and since it was my first game I didn't know if I could object so I went with it.

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[go]$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a b . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . d c . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a-d look beautiful to me and are instinctive moves. firstly you extend from a solid corner secondly you challenge whites base
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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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@Balmung

Tempted to resign?? Why?

FWIW, my feelings:

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[go]$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a b . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . d c . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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@ Balmung:
Yes, the pincers you post would have been perfectly natural, and they are a bit more aggressive than the actual game. However, I think the move in Aphelion's sequence is also perfectly normal and playable even on a professional level; it just gives you a nice solid corner with very few worries later on.

So no worries, he didn't trick you into any suboptimal moves :)
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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm34 Captured Stones: W 0 B 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . W O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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Balmung:

What happened in the game is overwhelmingly the most common professional play here. Your suggested moves are strong alternatives and very playable (some more so than others), but probably all technically worse than following the mainline (disregarding your early invasion) ;)
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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm34 Captured Stones: W 0 B 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X B . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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I think the capture count is wrong it should be white 1 black 0 how do we fix that?
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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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balmung wrote:I think the capture count is wrong it should be white 1 black 0 how do we fix that?


Hello Balmung,

you can click on Click Here To Show Diagram Code
and change "[go]$$Wcm34 Captured Stones: W 0 B 1"
to "[go]$$Wcm34 Captured Stones: W 1 B 0" if you wish.

Your joseki/opening question is covered in Senseis:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?34PointHighAppr ... Connection
http://senseis.xmp.net/?34PointHighAppr ... incerFight
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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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Helel wrote:@Everyone:

Posting of sequences really don't save that much time and they have the potential to cause confusion about what has been played and what's only been suggested. Are they really necessary? Would people miss them if they were disallowed?


What do you mean disallowed? There aren't really referees for Malkovich games--if the players want to say "no suggested sequences" at the outset of the game (just as they sometimes do with whether to allow joseki lookup) they certainly may.
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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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Just change the caption of the diagram. :) (EDIT: oh, I missed a page. Well at least you know no one is lying to you...)

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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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Helel wrote:Posting of sequences really don't save that much time and they have the potential to cause confusion about what has been played and what's only been suggested.


Save time compared to what? I'm not sure I follow.

Helel wrote:Are they really necessary?


No.

Helel wrote:Would people miss them if they were disallowed?


I certainly would.
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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm36 Captured Stones: W 0 B 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X W . . . . . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

What is this discussion all about?

Balmung: I meant for the captured stones to indicate the actual color of the stones captured, not the stones that each side has captured. Feel free to change it if you dislike it.
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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Post by judicata »

Helel wrote:What did you think I meant?


I had no idea. It seems an odd thing for the moderators to moderate.

@Aphelion: Sorry, this was on-topic coming from a hidden comment, but it is probably not good to keep the discussion going in a Malkovich game.
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