32. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

daal · Post by **daal** » Thu May 06, 2010 1:11 pm

Enjoying the game!

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Thu May 06, 2010 5:30 pm

Kirby wrote:
$$Bcm49 Move 49 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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[go]$$Bcm49 Move 49 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . O . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . B . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems premature. Were I black, I would have played this first:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm49 Move 49 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . O . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White can't let black have C13, and has to play something like C14 himself. But the coming fight is going to be in the center, and black's move will be worth more than white's.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu May 06, 2010 7:16 pm

my move is looking for below miai a and b. i think even weaker players will see this much.
1 was needed i think. (am not sure why but i felt this exchange was needed before i try below move)
if i am wrong..at least it appears to be professional play and looking good. playing here and there.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . O . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X X b . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . 5 O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X 1 . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . a 2 . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Thu May 06, 2010 7:42 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm53 Move 53 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . O . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X X B . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu May 06, 2010 7:56 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm54 Move 54 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . O . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . O W . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

xed_over · Post by **xed_over** » Thu May 06, 2010 9:59 pm

HKA wrote:...Malkovichingly...

welcome back Keith, you've been missed!

To the players:
I think you guys are going to enjoy the observer's comments as much as we've been enjoying watching your game

Post by **Solomon** » Thu May 06, 2010 10:57 pm

Violence wrote:
Ugh... watching this game frustrates me to no end.

I hate Magicwand's style. I hate his attitude towards players, I hate the reasoning he gives for most of his moves, and how he happens to get away with so much in this game because I feel Kirby is getting intimidated by the bully.

Mind you, I don't hate Magicwand, it's simply what he represents, the club player who plays on instinct and reading, but always has inconsistent thinking. There was a time when I tried to get stronger by playing such players, but I would never grow conceptually. I would never have games where the outcome was decided because my opening and endgame skill was higher(though often true), it was only because I outfought in the middlegame, because these kinds of players will overplay, overplay, and overplay, until the game is simply one huge fight.

And then they review. They always assert that their moves were rooted firmly in their intuition, so whether or not they were correct or not is usually irrelevant to them, because they're so reliant on intuition that they are usually willing to accept their mistakes and lack of understanding of Go theory because they are satisfied with the way they currently play.

Playing against people like that only seems to strengthen your reading and fighting shape. You never really learn new tricks, sharpen your endgame, or develop opening prowess, the game is essentially all middlegame.

And it pains me so much because I've met Mr. Kirby. And I've seen Mr. Kirby play. He's an honest player who looks straight at the board and tries to rationally come up with each move. He's been using this method to get stronger for quite some time, and it always pains me to see a rational, thinking type player, who establishes an early lead and dominating position get beaten by a stronger player who leaves many openings and chances for punishment, but still wins in the end.

Man... if Kirby doesn't win this game, I might have to play a game with Magicwand over this summer.

Post by **Jordus** » Thu May 06, 2010 11:00 pm

Araban wrote:
Violence wrote:
Ugh... watching this game frustrates me to no end.

I hate Magicwand's style. I hate his attitude towards players, I hate the reasoning he gives for most of his moves, and how he happens to get away with so much in this game because I feel Kirby is getting intimidated by the bully.

Mind you, I don't hate Magicwand, it's simply what he represents, the club player who plays on instinct and reading, but always has inconsistent thinking. There was a time when I tried to get stronger by playing such players, but I would never grow conceptually. I would never have games where the outcome was decided because my opening and endgame skill was higher(though often true), it was only because I outfought in the middlegame, because these kinds of players will overplay, overplay, and overplay, until the game is simply one huge fight.

And then they review. They always assert that their moves were rooted firmly in their intuition, so whether or not they were correct or not is usually irrelevant to them, because they're so reliant on intuition that they are usually willing to accept their mistakes and lack of understanding of Go theory because they are satisfied with the way they currently play.

Playing against people like that only seems to strengthen your reading and fighting shape. You never really learn new tricks, sharpen your endgame, or develop opening prowess, the game is essentially all middlegame.

And it pains me so much because I've met Mr. Kirby. And I've seen Mr. Kirby play. He's an honest player who looks straight at the board and tries to rationally come up with each move. He's been using this method to get stronger for quite some time, and it always pains me to see a rational, thinking type player, who establishes an early lead and dominating position get beaten by a stronger player who leaves many openings and chances for punishment, but still wins in the end.

Man... if Kirby doesn't win this game, I might have to play a game with Magicwand over this summer.

The first thing that came to my head when I read Violence's comment:
Kirby

Magicwand

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri May 07, 2010 8:57 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm55 Move 55 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . O . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . O O B . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Fri May 07, 2010 1:02 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm56 Move 56 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . O . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . W O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri May 07, 2010 1:13 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm57 Move 57 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . O . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . B X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri May 07, 2010 2:05 pm

I'd much prefer this, so "a" isn't so awkward to handle:

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Fri May 07, 2010 2:08 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm58 Move 58 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . O . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . X W . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri May 07, 2010 2:12 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm59 Move 59 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . O . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Fri May 07, 2010 2:17 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm60 Move 60 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . O . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . X X O W X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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