Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Gresil · Post by **Gresil** » Thu May 06, 2010 11:16 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 31a - W: 13, B: 12 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Thu May 06, 2010 1:36 pm

Joaz Banbeck wrote:...
Will post before the connection dies. More later.

The connection has been stable enough that I finally have time to read Chew Terr's explanation. And I approve of that too. I promised more later, but I'm not sure that I could improve on it.

About Gresil's move:

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Thu May 06, 2010 1:37 pm

Almost definitely don't approve, but this requires some serious reading, and my board has the 1 vs 1 Malkovich game on it

So, will respond this weekend, hopefully sooner rather than later.

EDIT: Actually, I do approve...

Though I don't like doing it, I suppose White's not going to treat it as gote because of the lower left. The reason it has its merits is:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 31a - W: 13, B: 12 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O 4 5 X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X 6 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 8 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 0 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 31a - W: 13, B: 12 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O 5 4 X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Thu May 06, 2010 1:47 pm

Gargh, too late, my stupid variation sucks!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 31a - W: 13, B: 12 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O 4 5 X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X 6 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 8 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 0 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 31a - W: 13, B: 12 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O X X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 2 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 3 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O 5 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Maybe Black can attack the left... ?

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Fri May 07, 2010 10:56 pm

Approved.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Fri May 07, 2010 11:24 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 32a - W: 13, B: 12 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . W . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's see, I wake up for a tournament in... five hours? Now is when I should analyze the move to play in the BB game =)

My comments may be a bit short this time, but I feel fairly happy with this move. This FINALLY buys us safety for our side group, so after this, we can move on to worry about bigger and brighter things. I'm not very happy with how this whole corner's gone. Black is alive with a few points in the corner. We have two ALMOST stable groups, and black has better positions on the outside. If we don't play one more move for this group, the result looks grim (Black hanes first and pushes us down to the second line, at best). However, I think we finally have enough liberties and are close enough to D7 to get off the third line. If we get B14, we get a decent number of points in gote, but that's for much later. I would feel remiss if I didn't include a diagram to pictorialize (word?) some of the thought processes I just explained. So here's what happens if black tries to cross-cut after we get this move in.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 31a - W: 13, B: 12 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 8 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 7 O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 3 2 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . 6 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Yeah, looks like we have enough liberties once we do the hane. If we don't do the hane first, black can, and then we have to run on the second line. Also, if we don't stop at some point to block at B14, black can monkey jump most of our eyespace away. Looks grim, so let's get some stability.

This game isn't horrible for us or anything, but I figure next, black will either attack our weak group on top, or approach the bottom right. Doesn't look great. Time for tourney sleep. Catch you on the flip side. (Cheesey one-liners for victory).

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sat May 08, 2010 5:54 am

I approve.

I'll be in transit for most of the next day or two, back to California. I may not have net access until Monday evening.

shapenaji · Post by **shapenaji** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:59 pm

Sorry for the delay folks, I'll get to this by tomorrow, was out of town for a couple days and ended up without internets...

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Tue May 11, 2010 12:09 am

Joaz Banbeck wrote:I approve...

I hope to have time later to post diagrams explaining this.

I'm now back home with a reliable internet connection.

With black's last move, they got enough liberties to threaten this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc They cut $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O 2 3 X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

...which continues like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc We run - they block $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O 2 3 X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X 4 1 O 0 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 6 5 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

And we end up like this, in which white's upper group is almost certainly dead:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc The crucial position, that black threatens to get after their last move. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O X X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X O X O O a . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black has simple connecting moves like 'a' and 'b' to ensure that his surrounding groups stay alive long enough to kill the upper white group.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc White's best try $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . 9 8 . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O 0 5 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O 6 . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O X X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . , . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

White can struggle, but even with sente we still can't quite live.

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I've just shown the main line. For the sake of completeness, let's look at a few of the branches that were not taken:

1) Way back at the first diagram, there was another option for white:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc They cut and we live small $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O 8 . 6 9 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . 4 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O 3 2 X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

Black locks us in, then finishes with 'a', and has great center strength. Living like this is as bad as dying.

2) Or we can go low and try to sneak out along the bottom.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc The flower-viewing ko $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O 0 9 6 8 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . 4 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O 3 2 X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

And here we are fighting a ko for life. Black risks a few stones, we risk an important group.

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Now that we have a complete view of the threat, we can put our move back on the board, and see how it changes things.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc The crucial position with white's latest in place. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O 2 3 X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X 4 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 6 5 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . W . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now it favors us.

Black can try to avoid that by letting us run one more before blocking:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O 2 3 X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X 4 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 6 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 8 7 a . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 9 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . W . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But now we obliterate black with 'a'.

shapenaji · Post by **shapenaji** » Wed May 12, 2010 9:38 am

Approved

It's necessary, we really can't allow them to push us down, otherwise their attacks on our upper side become too strong. I agree with Joaz on a number of his diagrams, although I think we should consider alternate lines than simply the direct cut. For example:

for example, the following is the quickest way to live on top if they play "1"

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O 0 . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . 4 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O 3 2 X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X 9 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . W . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It's not a coup for us, but we have a fair amount of very useful aji here which I believe makes black quite ineffective.

Gresil · Post by **Gresil** » Thu May 13, 2010 1:44 am

Johnny won't you ramble, oh ho ho

I can only imagine two (correction: three) different plays here for black.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 O 3 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I outlined the above sequence earlier. The question is whether I ought to omit the first exchange and just play :b5:

now. Is

aji keshi? Does it weaken my lower-left group by forcing white to strengthen his? I can't evaluate aji keshi but I probably would prefer to omit the exchange—I can play on one side in sente and return to the other, but either sente will close one door.

My knee-jerk continuation from :b5:

is this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X 2 4 . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . . O 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The dans won't let it happen. Now black is cramped in the center. White F8 is powerful but black F8 thin and dame, and I can't span that gap to connect my two groups. F8 is white's privilege and I will do well to neutralize it. Suppose I sacrifice H16 for a thick center?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . 0 . 9 . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . . O 2 4 . . . B . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 1 . 3 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 5 O 7 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 6 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Now this black position looks like my kind of game. White will extend on the right next and I must prevent him from getting H5.

Oh, one more idea occurs to me, and it looks rather interesting despite, or because of, an initial feeling of counterintuitive direction:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . . O 1 . 5 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I can't decide between which of the last two diagrams to aim for.

I'll have my second breakfast now and come back with my decision.

Gresil · Post by **Gresil** » Thu May 13, 2010 2:41 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 33 - W: 13, B: 12 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Thu May 13, 2010 2:50 am

Not approved:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 33 - W: 15, B: 12 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I can see where Black's coming from here, but I think White's going to stay floating sometime longer if we let White push us from behind along the top on the 4th line. Settling that middle black group efficiently is urgent, and forcing White to enclose it a bit more is not good. Black intended to push up and then cap, but why we would reduce our running space? I might consider it if H16 was on the 3rd line, but Black should be delighted to be pushed along the 4th line, and if Black was concerned about White pushing twice and then sealing in, why create a similar position with his suggested move that's that bit harder to run out of in the middle for Black?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 33 - W: 15, B: 12 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O c . X 3 5 . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . . O 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 1 . 6 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O a . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm happy enough with one of "a" or "b" here - If Black "b" gives White "a" in sente, I'll take "a", otherwise "b" seems better. White's group at the top is still floating badly right now.

EDIT: Hmmmm, I still like "c" actually - it looks annoyingly nasty once Black's a bit more secure in the middle. I'm happy with Black's position up here right now.

Gresil · Post by **Gresil** » Thu May 13, 2010 2:58 am

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Thu May 13, 2010 2:55 pm

Approved.

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