99. topazg vs sevis

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Re: 99. topazg vs sevis

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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm simply going to go by the proverb of corners before centre and play this. I should indeed soon count, but I think that assuming my left-bottom group is dead, I am behind. Oh well, we'll see.
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Re: 99. topazg vs sevis

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My first time commenting on one of these.

Now Sevis, I'm a significantly weaker player but:

a) Isn't it perhaps a bit premature to consider those stones in the lower left dead? You consider them hopelessly cut off?

b) If you wanted to make an extension from the lower right corner, are you sure you wanted to place 40 where you did? What formation does that make for the three stones? You consider that the whole board position makes this an exception to the rule?


In other words, I'm saying the thoughts you expressed seem to want explanation why you are thinking thus.

PS -- I hope I did "hide" correctly
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Re: 99. topazg vs sevis

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@Mike:
At the moment, the stones are not dead as they stand. However, I can be fairly certain that white will kill off at least one of my groups, and they seem to be the most likely candidates.

B 40 is gote, and does not expand me territory by a lot, but it does give me some security in that corner, and it is the largest move I can make without knowing for sure that I will be cut. M3 would make my position significantly weaker, while not achieving much more. N4 would allow white to continue in this direction. I am expecting white to head to the centre now -- K5 looks both good and fairly urgent, because me playing there would cut his group off from the centre by quite a bit. (I'd probably play J5, but it's still no good for white).

On the other hand, making 40 smaller and placing it on O3 would put almost no pressure on the white stones. White could play M4 and start building influence in the area, or, more likely, tenuki and play something even nastier like G7. The group on the bottom-left would be looking even less alive, pushing through to the right.
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topazg wrote:
hman wrote:@topazg, EdLee, Magicwand.

...
I'd like to see a topazg-Edlee Malkovich, with comments by Magicwand. Please? :)


Yeah, that sounds like it could be very interesting :twisted:

I'm actually not wanting to take on anything else for some time due to my life about to get a lot more busy. When I get the time to start another one, I'll ask Ed first, as you are the second person to talk to me that wants this matchup to happen :)


Too bad... It was an interesting dialog.
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Kirby wrote:Too bad... It was an interesting dialog.


Another one?? Ok, is anyone else wanting this matchup to happen?
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Re: 99. topazg vs sevis

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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This game's about to get even more complicated, I'm going to make sure this group is permanently settled first, then start picking my fights a bit more carefully. I lost a lot of ground (and not as much as a should) by underestimating the value of F6. I haven't played this double approach before, and that was a useful lesson to learn. As it stands, I think I may have caught up one of the handicap stones, but no more than that, so there's a big uphill struggle to come. In 4 handicap stone games, I expect to catch up 1.5-2 stones in the opening, and another 1-1.5 in the endgame, leaving about a stone to pick up directionally in the middle. However, here, we are hitting the midgame and I'm not particularly close, so I have to make sure I can keep the initiative as much as possible.


Spoiler:

These are the moves I have been thinking about:

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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . f O O . O . . e . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O h . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . d . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O c . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a . X . O O . . , . . . . . X g . . |
$$ | . . . . b . . . . 1 . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I need to be careful with either of "a" and "b", as both give my groups stability whilst hurting the other. "c" I like in principle, but I need to be careful with this too. Black can settle his group in the corner, in sente against both of my groups, and then I haven't managed to get myself that far. Separating is important, as it breaks Black's influence and prevents him from making it thick, but if I'm going to do that, I'd rather play "d":

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[go]$$Wcm39 "x" and "y" aji is now a bit awkward for Black
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X x . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X y . . 7 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 6 5 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O 8 O 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Of the remaining moves, "e" is very big, but just plain gote, and I'm not convinced yet whether or not it is reverse sente, as my response at "f" gives me some useful sente endgame if Black ignores it. "g" is a move I'd love to play, as it is pretty hard to defend against with two long knights (the standard 3-3 invasion simply doesn't work - ask if you want my reason as to why). However, Black playing another move there is a bit slow and a bit overconcentrated just now, and I don't want to make Black thicker just yet. The real battle is now over the middle of the board, so I should be playing for influence I think. "h" is the beginning of a nice forced sequence - but if I play it too early Black may ignore it and let me connect out, right now there are some huge moves left.

So, why "a"? Because I want "d". If I get it, White has neutralised the middle, and either isolated Black's group completely, or forced him to capture a stone in gote, helping me to settle my newly created group in the middle. Unfortunately, right now, Black settles against my group, and that's really annoying, because he can do it in sente. Even though the cut (ok, cut threat) achieves some real value in the middle, it will make another weak group, which as we've seen this game so far is a really bad thing. So, by playing "a", I reduce his ability to counter if I get "d" as well (and if not, I settle in sente with 3-3 aji), and my group at the bottom has more space to play with if he turns against that side (which is another reason I don't want to play "g" just yet). As long as one of my two groups is settled, I should be able to reduce the middle strongly enough to restore my faith in getting past these handicap stones.
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topazg wrote:
Kirby wrote:Too bad... It was an interesting dialog.


Another one?? Ok, is anyone else wanting this matchup to happen?


Yes! I've always wanted to see a Malkovich with Ed since his comments and reviews are always very helpful, easy to understand and clear cut. And now that we got some drama going .... :razz:
While I was teaching the game to a friend of mine, my mother from the other room:
"Cutting? Killing? Poking out eyes? What the hell are you playing?"
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Re: 99. topazg vs sevis

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Reading...

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 c X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . b . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 5 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 3 . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Horrible!

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 5 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 6 . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Horrible!

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 2 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 5 3 . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Still no base, so it'll have to run, but white does live in the corner... I think this is very good for white, but not sure.

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 2 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 4 . 6 . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Something like this?

In any case, I think that by playing c, I will get to choose which group to attack, and although I'll probably end up losing the corner, I may still be able to get some profit out of it...
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 5 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 4 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 5 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 8 . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 7 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hm... Lesson for me to learn: keep sente. This variation allows white to get the corner, but makes whatever group he decides to neglect weaker.

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 4 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 3 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 2 3 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 4 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . c . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hm. This is what I'd do against a weaker player... And I think it's worth a try here. Read it out a little further in my head, if white plays b, the cut works. I'll need to play c, though, but that looks fairly sente.

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 4 5 . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 6 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Bad bad bad bad.


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's a one way street ...
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: :b100: :w100:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 4 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: :b100: :w100:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 7 6 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 2 3 8 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 4 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have the suspicion it'll be this...
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 4 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Trigger, I think it's called? Please say if you disagree.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 . 3 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 4 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . 8 . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, it won't be too bad if he agrees to this, but I have the feeling I'll be regretting not playing something more sente next turn. Perhaps he'll cut... Hm.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 . 3 . X X . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 4 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . 8 . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Steady as she goes, I'm disrupting the middle with this. I want to make a base with G2, but getting sealed in is a crime punishable by death right now. It's big though.
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Apologies that this is so late. My thoughts so far:

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[go]$$Wcm49 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O e . f . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . d b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . c , a . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a peeps, and supports the right. It makes white stronger, but I doubt it would be ignored, and a follow-up play on M6 would be okay-ish. Sort of. It supports the right, but doesn't do anything about the bottom or centre.

b forces white to go in some other direction. However, it isn't the only way white can crawl out. It's what I'd play in an even game, but it seems too direct here (a white play at d would be devastating, too).

c tempted me, but the stone gets locked in after white H5.

d Basic instinct -- try to run up and catch the enemy. Unfortunately, this is too slow. Unless, perhaps, I then play c... Hm, needs further looking-at. It is gote, though, I think.

e ensures that the left white group can't get out, but that doesn't matter too much right now. There's some good to it, but again, it looks too small.

f isn't much good, either -- it doesn't stop W K7, but also does little to develop black.

Currently trying to choose between d and e, am not yet sure.
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