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103. EdLee vs topazg

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By popular request, and as Ed has hinted he would like it to happen, I've created this one in the expectation it will be ok! I hope y'all enjoy :)

If you want to change any of the settings at all Ed, please do, and I'll accept whatever you set up :)

Malkovich type: Standard (Closed to comments, but joseki dictionaries and so on are ok)
Handicap: Even with nigiri
Scoring: Standard interpretation of Japanese scoring

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Nigiri:

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Obs:

Regardless of the tone of some of our disagreements in the previous thread, I have a very high opinion of Ed's comments and helpfulness. I consider him to be one of the most pleasant and helpful people on L19, and I voted for him in the mod poll because I thought he'd make such a good one (and still do).

He says he's 1k on KGS which means his AGA 4k is a bit out of date, and he doesn't like "mickey mouse" 30 minute game time controls, which means an environment such as Malkovich games are pretty much perfect for him. He clearly doesn't post nonsense, and thinks carefully about variations before making comments, and I suspect his attitude to this game will be the same. As a result, I'm suspicious that he's probably favourite for this one (and magicwand has an extremely high opinion of him, which counts a fair bit to me as magicwand keeps kicking my butt), which is why I've set it even (aside from the fact I prefer even games anyway). Still, may the best man win and all that, and I'll try to give it the best shot I can :)

I'll try to post some useful ideas and thoughts as we go, and hopefully this will be an interesting game for all!
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Re: 103. EdLee vs topazg

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Thanks for setting up this game. It should be a fun match. Good luck to you both!

Oh, and though you respect one another, it might be more entertaining for me if your hidden comments suggest otherwise. ;-)

Well, just kidding.
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Re: 103. EdLee vs topazg

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Kirby wrote:Oh, and though you respect one another, it might be more entertaining for me if your hidden comments suggest otherwise. ;-)


That arrogant man!! How dare he disagree with me?? I will crush him!

Is that better? :D
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:bc: -- Odd. Have a nice game, topazg. :)
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You too Ed :)

Let stones of fire rain onto the goban in a maelstrom of chaotic destruction, and let harmony and order rise out of the ashes (and a winning position would be nice :)). There can be only one.

I'm going for something unorthodox here. By unorthodox, I mean "what normal people do". Seriously, I have a habit of playing different things just to be different. As White, I keep playing disruptively (on move 4, heaven help Black if he plays a 3-4, because I completely disregard that empty corner). I always think of it as my way of stopping Black from developing what he wants and forcing the game onto my terms, but I think it's a bit more like:

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So, enough chasing and nipping at Black's ankles, and a bit more honest open play. If pro's can do it, so can I. Of course, I actually happen to be Black here, so the last paragraph is moot, but it's the spirit I want to play this game in.
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Here goes. I hate the Chinese, what am I doing? Must ... be ... firm.
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If :b5: makes a shimari at (a) or (b), :w6: will approach (c) direction;
if :b5: approaches at (d), :w6: will approach (a) or (b) direction -- miai.
Otherwise, if :b5: Chinese opening (e) or (f), or approaches at (g), I'll ponder it then. :)
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I have such a bad feeling about this ...
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The Chinese opening it is. (a) and (b) are miai.
This could be a very messy fighting game.:)
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Re: 103. EdLee vs topazg

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@topazg:

Why are you playing the Chinese if (as seems clear from your comments) you hate it? (I guess the comments are at least partly tongue-in-cheek, but still, I detect some genuine unease.) There are no shortage of ways black can play at the start of a game, so why deliberately choose one you dislike?
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Let me know if you disagree :)

@Robinz:

Because the God of Go doesn't have openings that he is uncomfortable with. My failure to cope with Chinese highlights a weakness of my game. If I don't face it, how do I hope to get past that particular hurdle? I view Go as a game of self-improvement as well as good fun, it's a sandbox to go into zones of discomfort with an open mind and challenge myself to rethink the way I think.

I could grossly over-egg the situation and say "There is no fear but fear itself", but the only way to improve is to play the sort of situations I suck in, and hope that I learn something (especially in a Malkovich game).
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Seems standard so far; the quiet before the storm. :-|
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Going to have a think about this one, will respond later :)

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Further thoughts:

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Actually, this is a joseki I've been wanting to try for ages, and was one of the reasons I misjudged the sevis corner (the 3-3 aji is much higher here with the low approach stone)... maybe I should do this. See, I'm doing it again. I want to mess things up and make them complicated, I spy a personality flaw here somewhere.
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